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| Obstruction Rule Revisited I had a question about the obstruction the other night in practice, and I decided I would just consult the handy-dandy rules guide to get clarification. Turns out the rule is a little vague. Here is how obstruction is currently defined: 17.12.1 A player is deemed to be obstructing if the player endeavors to block another player's direct line to the puck So I wrote my own obstruction rules, stealing heavily from basketball rules. I'm posting this in hopes that someone who works on the rules might look over them and think about changing how the rule is written. Let me know if this makes sense. Definitions Offensive Player An offensive player is defined as a player whose team currently has possession of the puck. Defensive Player A defensive player is defined as a player whose team currently does not have possession of the puck. Incidental Contact The mere fact that contact occurs does not necessarily constitute a foul. Contact which is incidental to an effort by a player to play an opponent, reach a puck, or perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal. Incidental Contact by an Offensive player:
If lost of possession occurs, the official must decide whether the contact is incidental or a foul has been committed. 1. Guarding an Opponent In all guarding situations, a defensive player is entitled to any spot on the court they desire, provided they legally gets to that spot first and without contact with an opponent, irregardless of the offensive player's speed or position. A defensive player may continue to move after gaining a guarding position in the path of an opponent provided they are not moving directly toward their opponent when contact occurs. Any defensive player who conforms to the above is absolved from responsibility for any contact by an opponent which may dislodge or tend to dislodge such player from the position which he has attained and is maintaining legally. If contact occurs, the official must decide whether the contact is incidental or a foul has been committed. 2. Loose Puck Fouls (General Obstruction) When neither team has possession, an opposing player is deemed to be obstructing if the opposing player:
A defensive player who extends a hand, forearm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of an opponent and thereby causes contact is considered to have caused an obstruction foul. 4. Shepherding (Offensive Obstruction) Shepherding occurs when a moving offensive player blocks a defensive players direct line to the puck. [Note: I don't think this is good enough. a defensive player should at least be attempting to defend for shepherding to occur. Any ideas how to better word this?] An offensive player who has established position on the court and is not moving is not considered to be screening, even if during the course of play their position crosses a defensive player's direct line to the puck. 5. Barging (Offensive Obstruction) If an offensive player causes contact with a defensive player who has established a legal position, an offensive foul shall be called and no goal may be scored. An offensive player who extends a hand, forearm, shoulder, hip or leg into the path of a defensive player and thereby causes contact is considered to have caused an obstruction foul. An offensive player who pulls the puck back behind their body while advancing forward and using their body to 'push' a defensive player out of the way is considered to have caused an obstruction foul. |
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| Dear Mablair (can't find your first name), Great job, I think it's always good to get more precision on the rules and since uwh is still a young sport we get the chance to make it evolve in the right way. Getting inspiration from a reputed sport like basketball (what about handball?) is easy for all of us to understand, so thanks for the big step forward. > Shepherding occurs when a moving offensive player blocks a defensive players direct line to the puck. What if, as an offensive player, I put my body between the defensive player and the puck, by pulling the puck down to my hip or rotating? We see that a lot and I think it's fine. What's not allowed is either to hide the puck under your body or use your free arm to cover the puck or run into the defensive player who already has position. However, I think these cases are already covered, aren't they? What do you think? Julien |
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| Julien, So "Shepherding", as least as we talk about it in the US, is when a 2nd offensive player gets in the way of the defender. This most commonly happens when a forward, going down for a pass, ends up running into the defender and takes them out of the play. So that's another important part of defining that rule - the 2nd player, which I didn't talk about. Matt |
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| Wow have I been gone a while, not too much to catch up on though. Matt, as I understand Shepherding... or think i do, it would be closer to what you are describing as "loose puck fouls". A little akin to interference in Ice hockey or Shepherding that used to be a foul in soccer, but either that was just youth leagues or they took it out at the international level because it was ignored. When the ball is rolling out of bounds and the defensive player rather than play the ball just gets in the way of the offensive player "shepherding" him away from the ball so he cannot save it from rolling OB. Basically playing the player not the ball. Anyway the time it happens most in UWH is when the puck is in the corner, or maybe along the wall, and a player rather than takeing possesion of the puck uses hands arms to support himself and positions his body to not allow the oppossing player access to the puck. 2nd player obstruction I would just call it that. A pick or screen in any other sport is obstruction here, and still should have to do with movement of the player doing the obstructing.
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Then, of course, a third player from the attacking team also blocking a defender would be the infamous "double-shepherd" which results in any scored goal from the play being counted as 2.
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| the thin red line will be when the second attacking player shows interest in receive a pass from the player with the puck, just in front of a defensive player, and keeps moving toward the goal, ahead of the play ?? I think it's one of the hardest fouls to call, as usually both are right saying "the other guy was obstructing me!!!" (speaking about the second attacker and the defender). |
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| shepperding There does not appear to a clear definition of shepperding in the rules, i would say it boils down to preventing a defender from getting to the player who is in possession of the puck, in particular in an attacking position. Having said that, the player deemed to be shepperding would have to be really close to the player in possession, otherwise he could just be there to support his team mate. This is a very difficult one to call, unless it is very clear that the defender cannot get to the player with the puck. Trust this makes some sense. ![]() |