Rule Amendments for CMAS

Tuck · #11 (**permalink**) IP: 144.195.6.10 14-11-07, 10:12 AM

Carl, it’s a complicated question really. Historically the rules for UWH have had changes suggested at the WC (usually by the country rules rep) in meetings discussed voted on, then enacted in a rules update to be enforced for the next WC. What Carol has asked for is basically the request for rules changes that normally is supposed to go out in some form of communication from the countries’ rules organizer or some other rep to the population they want to here from. Carol is going straight to the source, and trying to get out to the entire affected population posting on small list serves, hockeynet, and here (at least) to ask the question and following up, I think it was first posted a couple months ago, I know I have a couple emails from July about it. This is so they can get organized and put in a format to be voted on in Durban.

Tony is essentially doing the same thing for CMAS, but not sure what the process will be, maybe just re-written and published.

Who OWNS rules to any sport? There are organizations that oversee and publish them, then enforce them at their competitions, FIFA, RLIF etc... whatever; but own?

I guess this is the first step in creating Underwater Hockey League and Underwater Hockey Union.

er... snorkel battle extreme (sorry liam most of the pools I play are outside) Lets see how long the two stay in anyway similar.

Carol Rose · #12 (**permalink**) IP: 207.200.116.201 14-11-07, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CarlK

Why are both CMAS and WAA both asking for rules submissions?
It's a little bit of 'me-too-ism' Anyhow, who owns these rules? We have Tony & Carol both in this thread. Who owns the resulting rules?

Since 1990, I have asked for rule changes for the biennial rules meeting. And WAA now has own rules thread, so I am outa here ............

Carol Rose · #13 (**permalink**) IP: 207.200.116.201 14-11-07, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by atapene

who will end up with a better set of rules?

to be truthful i thought the goal subbing thing was so obviously sensible it was going to be a gimme in the next set of rules, after being trialled successfully at sheffield.

trial successfully at worlds.... surely next worlds its in concrete. or is that not the case?

Rule changes are not automatic. A rule change or addition or whatever must be voted either at the biennial rules meeting held at WC or between WCs by postal vote. Rule changes passed unanimiously at a WC rules meeting can be implemented immediately upon notification and agreement of teams cpts present. Process to change rules is in current WAA rules.

I don't believe one set or another of rules will be 'better' but will be different.

I am now leaving this thread as it is not my balleywick. Rule proposals for WAA now has own thread, see you there.

atapene · #14 (**permalink**) IP: 210.54.213.48 14-11-07, 04:20 PM

...so a quick vote at worlds will see the subbing rule set in concrete. easy.

Sven · #15 (**permalink**) IP: 84.24.137.3 14-11-07, 07:19 PM

Why different rule chances?

Keep both the same rules.

So there will be not real split in the sport.
It will be the same sport/rules in cemas and the others..
And it will be differcult when 2 sorts rules to have games/toernaments between teh 2 federations.

freedivenz · #16 (**permalink**) IP: 121.73.55.166 14-11-07, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sven

Why different rule chances?

Keep both the same rules.

So there will be not real split in the sport.
It will be the same sport/rules in cemas and the others..
And it will be differcult when 2 sorts rules to have games/toernaments between teh 2 federations.

Even the other sports that CMAS has which have other governing bodies have slightly different rules. The ones I know about are spearfishing and freediving, but none of it fundamentally changes the sport. Having free subbing in one and not the other won't make switching between them impossible

Sven · #17 (**permalink**) IP: 84.24.137.3 14-11-07, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by freedivenz

Even the other sports that CMAS has which have other governing bodies have slightly different rules. The ones I know about are spearfishing and freediving, but none of it fundamentally changes the sport. Having free subbing in one and not the other won't make switching between them impossible

Iff it stay's by only that chance your right.
But by every new chance the game will be a little different.
and after a few chances its a differend game.

A sort of link between the rules is maybe better to keep the games/play a little bit like each other. Iff you dont do that. after a time it will be a real splitt between the federations. And that does not make the sport better and bigger.

Duck · #18 (**permalink**) IP: 66.121.19.142 16-11-07, 08:16 AM

Sounds like that might be up to the countries that send teams to both WAA and the other federation (new rule: I only say the name in my signature). If one offers up a rule that makes sense I'm sure it would make its way into the other set. Unless egos start driving the decision makers.

Sven · #19 (**permalink**) IP: 82.173.5.82 16-11-07, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck

Sounds like that might be up to the countries that send teams to both WAA and the other federation (new rule: I only say the name in my signature). If one offers up a rule that makes sense I'm sure it would make its way into the other set. Unless egos start driving the decision makers.

Every desision driven by any ego is wrong. A desision must be driven by the interest to make the sport better. I think every desision must be putt up by both the WAA and Cemas. To keep the sport likely like each other. with so little as possible differents..

Tan · #20 (**permalink**) IP: 74.2.154.205 16-11-07, 01:33 PM

The rule stating that we have to wear a specific type of external mouth gaurd;
that is not designed for our sport and that people have lost teeth wearing should definitely be changed!

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