Carrying the puck through water

Anyone know what the rules are on carrying the puck on your bat (i.e liams latest clip in favourite skills thread), i.e when do we need to juggle the puck and when can we move it? i.e every knockdown involves a certain element of carrying the puck to put it where you want it, especially if you want change directions?

Iff you look to the letter off the rules its illigal.
It is not allowd to carry the puck on your stick.
its nice for movies and showing off by newbees. but illigal.


Legal:
1.TO hit the puck/ 2.to flick the puck/ to push the puck with the stick

Illigal
1.To carry the puck on your stick.

Now you said every movement and flick has some carrying ellement in it. Yes they do. But there is a differents between carrying the puck on your sticks and catching are trowing etc We did learn that iff the puck is on the stick you must get it off the stick. How the rules dont tell. so you can catch and chanche directions. But iff you catch it and lift it without any way off getting the puck from the stick. Then you carry the puck with your stick.

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yeah it's technically illegal to lift the puck by carrying it on your stick...i think the rules say you have to try to return it to the bottom asap.

i like to play around with the puck, i have always liked doing whatever i can with the puck no matter whether it really applies to the game or not.

BUT you can move the puck around with a vertical stick, keeping it on your stick through force against the water... we do it sometimes in turns. ...where is the line drawn?

if the rule were changed i am pretty sure that people would try to take advantage of it... maybe put a height limit of 1m on how high you're allowed to take it so you don't get silly stuff like people carrying the puck to the surface.

would add another aspect to the game wouldn't it? ...end of the day i dont think it will happen any time soon, so i don't think you should be trying to use it in a game sven.

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I dont see it happen. (the rule is good like it is)
And thats why i dont going to try someting with it.

There is pretty much space in the rules like they are to try things.
And lifting the puck to the surface is not one off them.
Its to dangerous to use during a game. Safety first!.

What top rank players do/show?. They have most time more controll over what they are doing.(but must keep in mind, that whatever they show or tell, lowers classes will try to do it) And carrying the puck is nice to see but is illigal. And its important to tell that to everybody.

The lower classes and juniors (the groups i work with) dont have compleet controll. And then lifting the puck is really dangerous. Its to easy to drop the puck on somebody.

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I now. I do it sometimes myself.In a horizontal sideway move when the stick is vertical.(i think you mean that?)On 15cm above the bothem and so go over the sticks off the opponents. But sometimes the reffs dont like that.
There is space between legal and illigal. It is to the reffs to deside what they find illigal. But the rules clearly say. Carring the puck is illigal.

But iff you use the force from the water in a sideway movement is it then carrying or pushing the puck?

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Maybe this is something SimonT might be able to comment on. Anyway, back in the beginning flicking wasn't legal - there's always room for change. A rule like that would probably put the pressure on players to focus even more on skills.... how would you go about stealing the puck off someone if they were lifting it without committing an infringement according to the current laws? (ie you can't "tackle" them or go for the body, can't hack at the stick)

Who is SimonT?

Changes that make the game better are always good. But when was flicking illigal? i never heard that before? But change for only the chache is not good. Then you can better spend time to learn the lower classes more skills and tacticks. That really helps the game improve on the longer terms.

Just give the puck a little tick with the point off your stick and down it goes.....

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I think like all rules in hockey, what the rule book says is less important than a sensible (and hopefully consistant) interpretation by the refs. The rule is clearly there to stop you carrying the puck around midwater, not to stop a bit of helpful puck redirection when you are catching/guiding down a flick. I've never struck a situation in a game where someone was really trying to carry the puck in an unfair or dangerous way (ie up to the surface or over other players etc) but presumably they would fall foul of the law.

wow you make everything sound so easy sven.

though, you know sometimes in games the puck is on the wall and bounces onto someones stick and 2 people end up carrying the puck up the wall? i've seen it end up on the side of the pool and everyone cracking up laughing.

that doesn't happen in serious games i guess. but thats the thing, if it was legal we would be able to experiment with it in games without it being a useless waste of time... you can't quite see in that stupidly pixelated clip but the last couple of things at the end is swimming towards the wall, turning, popping the puck onto the stick and carrying it over the hips and then swimming off. now if it were legal that WOULD be useful, and it only took 20 mins bumming round to be able to do it relatively consistently in one session. something like that could quite conceivably fit into a real game.

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Sven, SimonT is Australia's Chief Referee and is a member of the site...
and my knowledge is that around the beginning of the World Championships, flicking (when to puck lifts off the bottom) wasn't legal... correct me if I'm wrong... but hey that was nearly 30 years ago!