Carrying the puck through water

Carrying or carrying thats the question.

But the movement you tell you can do without carrying and with the waterpressure to the puck and stick in and horizontal move. Then you push the puck and do you not carry it. Iff you make carrying legal you can espect that players take the puck to the surface and risk off losing the puck above another player.(very nice iff your pool is 3,8meter depht.)

Maybe the change can be. NO carrying.
But moves where a sort off lifting in combination off the waterpresure against the puck is used can be legal. Most off those move has a real lifting moment. So you can make a move with the puck and turn/roll around yourself are over your hips.(its differcult to make a differents in carying and lifting.)

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Thanks for the answer.
I talk much to the dutch chief reff (Erwin P)

But 30 years ago. WOW. i only play now for 10 years and be a reff for 8 years.

But i seen movies about the worlds in the netherlands(amersfoort) 19 to 20 years ago. There it was normal to see somebody to flick. Much more back i never seen or read about. So i believe it.

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But maybe Simon can tell.

Carrying is illigal
Lifting is illigal (but discutable because flicking is a sort of lifting)

But pushing the puck in a horizontal move when the puck in at a vertical base against the stick. Is that carrying or pushing...? And that move can be used to take the puck over your body/hips etc...in a sort off trowing move but more controlled. Like we seen in liams movies. (or maybe i seen it wrong. But when i do it its like i tell below)

A frontal sideway move to turn the puck vertical (on the bothem)and then with the waterpressure move it around yourself. For that the stick is not under the puck but beside the puck. So is it lifting? is it carrying? is it pushing. It is effective but i understand you dont like turn/rolls. Like i discuss in "skills" and this a a turn/roll variant.

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Wow, so you've seen a video of the '88 Amersfoort Worlds?! So would you perhaps be able to get a copy of it for me, I would guess it would feature Australia cos the Men won that year. Its for "research" purposes ... sorry to get off topic there!

NOT ONLY SEEN THEM. I HAVE SOME!
(but i dont now off all the games are taped and on it)

I must look where the are. Somewere in a box. Whe did renovate the building. (so i do not can find everything) But i did get them from (fons kroes) one off the people that did oganize them. And it was not 1 tape. But more tapes. All on VHS video.

We use it to see iff there are skill on it that maybe are forgotten. But i can try to find al the tapes and copy them and sent it to you.(no problem)
Do you have VHS video?

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If I was you Liam, I would just do that move you're talking about and see how you go (at worst you've only wasted 20 mins and give away a free puck) since the rules only evolve in a sensible way when they are guided by what is happening in the game. If people are trying the pick up the puck move, and the consensus is that it gives an unfair advantage to that player, then the rules will hopefully be changed reflect that view by making it illegal. For example there is no rule against playing with a kayak paddle stuck up your bum because no one does it, but you can bet if people did start doing that (and somehow getting an unfair advantage from it...) it would get banned. Otherwise we could all sit around and make uninformed statements about weird situations that will never arise or wont make any difference to anything and how we should ban them (like for example the rule that popped up at nationals about having a glove that contrasts with the puck and your stick and the colour of your eyes... which is a perfect example of too much consideration given to a complete non-issue).

By the way I am against overly proscriptive definitions of what constitutes a particular foul because it leads to long boring arguments over semantics in captains meetings. Its far preferable to leave a bit of power to use common sense in the hands of the refs.

/end rant

i've seen that move you mentioned liam used, and it resulted in a goal (as it was done on the backwall)

and from what i saw it wasn't detrimental to other players safety, ie it was controlled; and there wasn't any extra advantage gained from doing it that way, as to say curling on it and using your body to block - either way your getting the puck to a shielded position

within reason i think you should be able to move the puck midwater with your stick - but it would need to be controlled and not detrimental to the safety of the other players, if that makes any sense