Open Kampioenschap / Dutch Open Championship

sounds then like there are some problems in the structure of your regional clubs that need to be solved sven. i find it very hard to believe that players refuse help to those who ask. as i said before, if you ask, you will get help. probably you may have to ask in the right way, of course... when i was in holland i went to a few practices at different clubs and the atmosphere was very positive and there was mixing of clubs and people seemed just as friendly and willing as they are at home.

it's obvious that you have some personal differences with some of the clubs, and more than a little bitterness shows through your messages. maybe whatever caused those problems could be looked at and you might find more help if you fix that and ask again... of course, you dont sound like you would ever consider asking for help, you sound quite happy with the painful re-inventing of the wheel that you are describing of your clubs development. so maybe this would apply to other people more?

i still think people should be encouraged to ask and approach people they think can help them if they want to improve. some people are happy to go out of their way to help others, coaching etc can be fun, but most coaches at least start because there is no-one else to do it, in our small sport with its small playerbase in all countries, and that secondary focus on coaching, when most would rather play, hangs around subconsciously... people are happy to help but it doesnt always occur to them to offer... and if someone deserves to be helped, surely they will take the effort to ask.

THose are now good. Only some of the top rank players still live on there own world. And dont care.
the lower classes are mine now to teach.
And you can find me and my brother in everywere in the netherlands and sometimes even in Belgium to help.
We closed that information gap/hole/split.It is now standard iff there are new clubs they come to me or my brother.
We are the "first contact"for new teams in the netherlands!

Ask yourself the folowing question. Why is Sven not impressed when the top rank players play there standard level. Maybe because i'm better then you think. And now more then you think about technicks/skills. The only thing is that i'm a relative lazy player. On that weekend there were players that used skills. Yes i've seen that. But like i early said before. NO NEW SKILLS.

I think you don't understant it well. I ask much.(always done!) I want to now everything.

Why did you think we were on that toernament? Iff you lookt arround you will have seen us talking to much other teams and players. We are now on the level they ask us things! And we give advice to them even when they dont ask.
Simpel by the way off asking why they do things like they do. And thats the way i expect top rank players to show interest by lower class players. It then dont matter iff you are dutch/Belgium/New sealand/Australian/Philipinos. Only by asking, showing interest, give unask help, Thats the only way for innovation through technique and tactics. Sometimes lower class players think that they do things good. Or thats it is not possible to do it better. That you only get to now iff a player that now more ask them why they do things that way. Why will they ask, iff they dont see new or other skills by the top level toernaments. Iff they dont see it they think that it!

iff i can learn top rank players new things why can Top rank players not learn lower rank player there skills? Or dont you want them to use your skills.

Its true Tilburg/TRB-RES/Terrebletwins devolphed there own style and variant on some skills.
Thats not bad. But we can also tell why we do things that way. Learn others how we do it.
Did you also see me and that reff/player with those paintings on his schoulder in the water?
He is a top class player. But in that few minuts i learnt him how to do a rolling puck and how to get a flying puck.
(ps he played with a dorsal stick and a glove made by me)

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ok, i think i understand that post fully and i think you make some good points.

you still make a lot of generalisations though, but thats ok, i just have to make an effort not to take it personally

i'm actually coaching myself at the moment, and i'm in a learning frame of mind, not having been this situation before.

the guys i'm coaching are very responsive to anything new, and you are obviously very enthusiastic about new skills in particular. do you have any footage or maybe you can describe in words or diagrams something new for me to try to learn and then teach to my guys?

i'd be really keen for that.

cheers

As the games get faster, the time to do the fancy skills lessens; and the effectiveness goes with them.

That's what I've found anyway..

really? the effectivness goes?

sure its harder to pull off trick stuff with less time... but when it comes off, it can sometimes be even more effective because its unexpected and breaks the flow of the game that people expect... can't it?

i don't know... are there any teams out there who have players who try fancy moves in big games and actually manage to pull them off?

Why does it have to be new/fancy moves that are impressive?
I am just as impressed by a simple standard move like a deek/dummy done to perfection.
Is it not VERY impressive when you know what someone is going to do with the puck, you are pretty sure when and where they are going to do it. It is a reasonable assumption everyone in the pool knows what is coming as well... and they still pull it off and get by the defender. A simple dummy done to perfection can be beautiful.

What impresses me as a player trying to learn something is TEAM PLAY and TACTICS and THE WAY CERTAN PLAYERS READ OTHERS. I look for magic combinations!
That is just what impressed me, not individual fancy fluff.
Cheers
Belle

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yeah that would make sense, i suppose you would have to weigh up the risk:benefit ratio.

a lot to do in a small time frame ;\

Yep, the faster and more competitive a game becomes, the less time there is to think/react/move, and the more the game becomes defined by which team can perform the basics better. But in this situation, if you can pull off something interesting, it usually ends up in a goal - not by the player that pulled it off, but by the sudden massive increase in pressure it creates as the opposition scrambles to recover and can't because the game's moving too fast. A dummy is expected and prepared against, whereas a rolling inverted 180 can cut an entire team apart before anybody's figured out what just happened.

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Do you do that also? We do not know from each other what we really can do.

The last time are we especially busy of the game really 3d make a game.

Which you want know Liam
1 person movement the tick tac in the air.
A movement for fast game where the opponent reacts also rapidly.

2 person movement
shooting through the puck without that the puck touches the ground.
(total control is nessesairy. When not done good it is dangeress)

3 and roll puck (a combination) shoot are possible you aimed the puck over an arm or stick whereupon the puck on speed keep rolling in the shot direction.

4. the 5 basis movements to obtain a puck from air.

5. How to do a dummy or a fack dummy

6 doing the V move With and without chanching the stick and the puck.

7.Pull the puck back and pass it under youself to another player

8.Pull the puck back and with a little roll movement get pass the oponnent.

9 flicking the puck away under you own shoulder (can be dangerous by the elbow you can give)

10. Passing/flicking the puck backwards.

11. Turn away with the puck.

12 roll with the puck

And many more

It is difficult choose from a large offer of techniques. Perhaps also improve for this a separate wire to make. Under the denominator how you do a technique.

Like Liam: Really?
I dont agree with that. Iff the game is chanching, so the skills are chanching.

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