Open Kampioenschap / Dutch Open Championship

The reffing in NZ (at the TT) was good - couldn't get away with much though

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No Only in the Netherlands and Belgium.
At a toernament in the Netherland i played against the Germans
At the competition in Belgium i played some times against the frence.

As reff i still be askt in Belgium for there competition.
TO bad that last year it were all days that i myselfs must play in the competition in the Netherlands.
It is always nice and fun to be in Belgium. (nice people!)

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Dear Super Elite World Champion Types,

You played in a tournament that was watched by fans.
Perhaps you didn't play really really well? Maybe not quite to World's standards?
Thats cool as you're not in tip top condition etc etc.
Out of season - playing for fun.
No worries.

But... fans went along to see the legends of the game.
They expected to see God-like players, play like Gods.

UWH isn't used to a fan base. Or the responsibilities that brings i guess.

You'll all need to get used to this.
As this site grows & other sites like the superb "See the Game" site you will be exposed to the fans.
All other International athletes have a pressure to perform, now you have too.

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I compleet agree with Carl
Another thing why you all be more exposed is that in crowing numbers games are taped on video.
On that sunday it was the meaning to do that also. TO bad that the camera did not work.

But something i did also expect and did NOT happend. On Sunday there was a game for promotion/degradation top class/first class Netherlands. You expect high class players to watch and give some advice to lower teams. But what happend. The game started and all the top rank players were gone. Realy exept me and my brother were there no players at all to watch and give advice to them. So the lowest class player there did the work you expect from top level players.

TO be a toprank player also in my vision means helping lower class teams and players.

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I think in great part the reason for this was twofold.
1) We all had games both immediately before and after said game.
2) We had no idea the game had any significance to anyone whatsoever until several hours after it was played.

It's a pity the video camera wasn't going, I always play better when I know my shabbiness is going to be recorded...

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my team was in the playoff, with no subs, had played the game before and were playing the game straight after. i was sitting on the poolside watching as exhausted cheerleader... i knew the significance of the game because my team was playing but i never would have known of it otherwise. there was no trumpeting announcement of the game, and everyone not playing was taking the opportunity for a break. the poor guys playing the game had a big sympathy vote from everyone else!

really, what do you expect? every player that thinks they are any good to jump in the water and start shouting instructions at these poor guys while they played? how would that have helped anything? maybe some people could have got in and watched and then given advice afterwards... quite hard, as they were all playing! people would have watched and given advice if they were asked... i would have done for my team if they had wanted me too, but they were happier having me rest while they couldn't... it was their turn to have no subs!

there was a good final to watch between two good teams at the end of the day, with plenty of space for spectators, and lots of discussion between spectators in breaks of play as well, and lots of people watching to see a good game and maybe learn something. those poor playoff teams were dropping from tiredness at that stage though! they had played more games than anyone. probably a big drawback in the structure of the tournament... maybe thats what you should be criticising instead of pointing vague fingers at people? i'm not sure i buy the fans-gods thread or how it started from talk about the dutch tourney... i'm not sure that a guy putting names on an un-impressive list counts as a fan? wouldn't that make him a heckler? or are we going to develop anti-fans before fans? haha! maybe players will start receiving hate mail before fan mail! hilarious.

its not anyones responsibility to look for people to teach... its those that want to learns responsibility to go out and find the knowledge, like anything else in life. when those people ask there will always be people willing to answer and help out... just cross your fingers that you picked someone who can tell you an answer that will work for you!

You tell the different yourself. A final match were all the top rank players are plaing has all the interest. And many couches looking in the water. Discussing and commenting.
A match without any top rank players dont have any spectators/interest. I dont put a finger to you or the other NW/AUssie players but to all top rank players. (so also the dutch top rank players)

No i dont expect that. And you now that iff you realy has watched that game.
There were almost no players left by the pool. The game was realy left allone. Only the 2 teams the reffs and i and my twin brother were at the pool side. And iff any top rank player want to give tips and advice it is always posible, In the timeouts and in the break. But then there were no top rank players also there.


I'm a fan off the sport. With my own opinian. There is in the world only one team that i'm a anty fan from.
And that is not you! But that is already well nown in all the Netherlands. Like The game before the last game. They ask me what team does you want to win. It was very easy. The frence And not Breda (sorry Meg)But that has all the good reasons.
It was you that first said something about a un-impressive list. I only did find the level by all and so by you not impressive. Do with it what you want. I find the play i did see those days not very much better then the first class in the netherlands. (were Tan played) THe only differents was that the tactick workt better. Iff thats the differents between a lower class and the world top, Then the world top has a problem!


In the Netherlands? hahahahaha Maybe as you are a top rank player. But iff you play in the lower classes you dont get any help. And thats the point. I'm used that the top rank players has NO INTEREST AT ALL for lower teams and players that are not from there own club. We the Tilburgers like we are called in the Netherlands are one off the few that do share technicks. and Knowledge. But it is not easy to get new knowledge from the top rank players.

It is not very stranche that the tactick we use is like waterpolo ( my team are all waterpolo players) and the technicks and skills somewhat differend from all the old school clubs. We Only had help when we started a few weeks. After that they found out that we never were going to play by there teams/clubs and all sharing and help was gone. And after 3 years we were the best in the lower classes. (on our own!) And stranche we did share with other teams. So we becaume after 3 year being allown without help, the consultants for the netherlands. And when we formed a junior team in the first year we were the champs.. (this has little to do with the toernament, but maybe you then now why we dont jump in the air when a top rank player tells us to jump, but why we ask WHY!.) ETC. We like the game. We are very social(easy going) to be with. But keep in mind that we did it on our own. The only thing that helped was that we (trb-res is a big swimming club ,900 people)

And like here were i ask that question to AMC32 about a comment about my gloves and Were i ask that to BentFishBoy about his comments about the handle from the Britbat there IS NO ANSWER.

AND YES I FIND IT A RESPONSIBILITY FOR TOP RANK PLAYERS TO HELP LOWER CLASSES OR TEAMS.
Only then the world level can be growing.

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Actually I'm quite willing to comment on the Britbat, I'm just trying to figure out how to get pictures on here so I can write a structured article and do it properly. More to come.

Hang on a minute, you wanted Pontoise to beat Argonauta???
Um, why? Firstly the Breda team had 4 frenchman, 2 kiwis and an aussie in it, so it's not like it was breda anyway, and secondly, Pontoise? They are, whilst fit and efficient at what they do and nice people generally, the dirtiest club team I have ever played against, with archaic skills and tactics that have resolutely refused to move and develop with the times. Their penchant for leaving tournaments they lose straight after the game and snubbing the ceremony, social, etc, doesn't earn them any friends either...

If you're looking for innovation through technique and tactics, clean fast open play and progression of the modern game, I posit that Pontoise is perhaps not the team for you to idolise...

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I can help you with it. Just send me the photos and i place them on this site
If you want send a PB and i give you my mail adres
THe photos i found i already placed there.

That was the master team. I mean the other team Arganauta. The only strancher in that team was Meg.
But we like all the Argonauta named teams to lose.

That i always said. I dont like agressive and dammaging play. I like clean play with many skills in it.

I now, but it was also the only team were i did see something i never seen in action.
And iff i see new skills in action then i'm impressed.
Iff i see a new team that played against all ods but are trying to play clean then i'm also impressed.

And its not the play why i want those frenche to win from Breda.
It has everything to do with Breda. And the past we had with them.
No help we are used to. But they have try'd to end UWH in Tilburg.
They failed because trb-res was bigger then the realized. (900 people)
(NO that are not only uwh players)

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