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Old 10-01-08, 08:49 PM
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Breakouts.

I can not find the little discussion in another discussion.

BREAKOUTS

were it was, called not much or easy to do break out before your own gool, and swim in a straigt line to the other side and gool. It happend already in 2 toernaments to us many times.

Has others the same experians?

(its not a standard tactic by us. but it can happen when somebody recieve the puck and the opponent defenders are away.)

its a mistake in the tactic from the opponent to let your tactick break open/away by us/the opponents. but it is becomming normal this year.Maybe because we chanced our tactick a little.
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yongy the seagull is pretty good at getting break aways ;p
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sven, you are probably committing too many players to attack... if you always have a player in reserve to defend this shouldnt happen?
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Old 11-01-08, 08:14 AM
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sven, you are probably committing too many players to attack... if you always have a player in reserve to defend this shouldnt happen?
I'm so sorry Liam
It is happen by us, not against us. We break this year often out our defence. In a straigt line forwards. Were our defence works in a sideway movement.(we only attack with 1 or 2 players)

But i agree that the opponent, let them trick by us and so use to much players to try to break our brick wall defence.

And faired our break out offence. done by couples. 1 team called it a doomsday attack. And did tell there team to attack with all there players when i and my twin break out toghetter or when 2 other brothers in my team broke out toghetter.

Not very smart to do. We only have to trick that team to the side and then flick the puck to the midfield were 1 player that can swim fast is whaiting for the puck. And the others can defend when we leave the defence.

(ps thanks this was my 800 post. now i will sleep!!! very well.)
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if a team is making a lot of break outs then the off back isn't doing his job - which is slowing down any break aways so the rest of the team can get back to support

a lot of break aways happen when 2 backs square up allowing a pass through them to take out 2 players at once, or when the off back over commits too early

in my experience they're the main causes anyway
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I'm so sorry Liam
It is happen by us, not against us. We break this year often out our defence. In a straigt line forwards. Were our defence works in a sideway movement.(we only attack with 1 or 2 players)

But i agree that the opponent, let them trick by us and so use to much players to try to break our brick wall defence.

And faired our break out offence. done by couples. 1 team called it a doomsday attack. And did tell there team to attack with all there players when i and my twin break out toghetter or when 2 other brothers in my team broke out toghetter.

Not very smart to do. We only have to trick that team to the side and then flick the puck to the midfield were 1 player that can swim fast is whaiting for the puck. And the others can defend when we leave the defence.

(ps thanks this was my 800 post. now i will sleep!!! very well.)
I would suggest that you get a lot of goals from breakouts because you are playing in a low division where good positioning is not the norm. Got to agree with Todd and say that the opposition has made a mistake, especially if as you say you score a breakout from one simple pass to the middle. Would point the finger at the offside back, goalie and offside forward at the least.

When you say that you only attack with 2 players - do you mean the breakout?
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I would suggest that you get a lot of goals from breakouts because you are playing in a low division where good positioning is not the norm. Got to agree with Todd and say that the opposition has made a mistake, especially if as you say you score a breakout from one simple pass to the middle. Would point the finger at the offside back, goalie and offside forward at the least.

Maybe. But you now we look to the higher levels also. And also there i see it happen more the the former years. Like more teams are begin to play so offencive that they forgot to defend.

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When you say that you only attack with 2 players - do you mean the breakout?
No the normal offencive from my team.(2 forwards. working toghetter.) But alway with a backup from the nearby players. But i think this question is related to the so called doomsday offence. Were i talk before about. That is an back-up offencive from the "haevy"players. when neeeded so power/strenght into the offencive instead speed what we most time use.(breakout play). what this year till now always resulterd in a gool.
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Maybe. But you now we look to the higher levels also. And also there i see it happen more the the former years. Like more teams are begin to play so offencive that they forgot to defend.
Possibly related to the fact that the level of play in the higher levels in the Netherlands is getting worse, quickly.

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No the normal offencive from my team.(2 forwards. working toghetter.) But alway with a backup from the nearby players. But i think this question is related to the so called doomsday offence. Were i talk before about. That is an back-up offencive from the "haevy"players. when neeeded so power/strenght into the offencive instead speed what we most time use.(breakout play). what this year till now always resulterd in a gool.
Sorry Sven, but I just can't work out what you mean. If you want write it in Dutch and I will translate it better.
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Possibly related to the fact that the level of play in the higher levels in the Netherlands is getting worse, quickly.
I do not agree with you on that. Different Yes,(offencive) and that there is some part to be chanced yes. but when you do not chanche it will not get better. And then over 10 years we will still play the same way were the rest off the world played maybe a different game.THe biggest chance is that the teams play more offencive. What result in nicer games to see and play.


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Sorry Sven, but I just can't work out what you mean. If you want write it in Dutch and I will translate it better.
De normale manier van de aanval van mijn team is aanvallen met 2 spelers (2 spelers die samenwerken)
Maar altijd met een soort van "backup"" ondersteuning van de dichtsbijzijnde medespelers.Maar ik denk dat deze vraag is gerelateerd aan het stuk wat ik schreef over de "doomsday"aanval.Waar ik het eerder over had. Dat is een back-up offencief van de "zware"spelers. Waneer de aanval gestopt cq vertraagd wordt. En er dus domme kracht nodig is in plaats van snelheid wat we meestal gebruiken met ons "uitbraak"/"counter"spel. Een tactiek wat dit jaar al vele goals op ons lijstje plaatsten.

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I do not agree with you on that. Different Yes,(offencive) and that there is some part to be chanced yes. but when you do not chanche it will not get better. And then over 10 years we will still play the same way were the rest off the world played maybe a different game.THe biggest chance is that the teams play more offencive. What result in nicer games to see and play.
You don't have to agree. Compared to when I came to NL in 1998, I think that apart from Barramoenda (champions), the rest of the current Hoofdklasse (top division) would probably not have been able to play Hoofdklasse in 1998.
The level is deteriorating.


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De normale manier van de aanval van mijn team is aanvallen met 2 spelers (2 spelers die samenwerken)
Maar altijd met een soort van "backup"" ondersteuning van de dichtsbijzijnde medespelers.Maar ik denk dat deze vraag is gerelateerd aan het stuk wat ik schreef over de "doomsday"aanval.Waar ik het eerder over had. Dat is een back-up offencief van de "zware"spelers. Waneer de aanval gestopt cq vertraagd wordt. En er dus domme kracht nodig is in plaats van snelheid wat we meestal gebruiken met ons "uitbraak"/"counter"spel. Een tactiek wat dit jaar al vele goals op ons lijstje plaatsten.

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"My team's usual method of attacking is with two players (two players working together).
But, they always have backup from the closest members of the team. But I think that this question is related to the piece I wrote about the 'Doomsday' attack. Which I referred to earlier. That is a back-up attack from the 'heavy' players. When the attack is halted or slowed down. And therefore brute force is required instead of speed that we usually rely on with our breakout/counter tactic. A tactic which has already de;livered us a lot of goals this season."

Still don't really get it Sven.
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