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Old 11-12-07, 12:52 AM
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Side subbing

Hey folks,

At Nautilus in January they will be implementing side subbing for the first time and this will be a new experience for a lot of players at club level (including myself)

so I would like to ask those with a bit experience, what are the pro's and con's with using side subbing over the old out of water subbing ? did it have an positive or negative impact on your tactics ? (if any)


also how does it change the dynamic for when it is safe for certain players to sub ?

when is the best time to make the switch ?

(when using end of the pool subbing, if you screwed it up at least you were between the goal and the puck, even if you were out of position)

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Old 11-12-07, 04:56 AM
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Yeah, our club is in the same position. I'm worried that with side subbing we're going to get horribly out of position. how do you stop this from happening? do you only sub when the puck is passing the subbing areas?

on a different note: anyone at nautilus who want to give a youth team a few helpful tips, Sawston are always willing to listen!
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Old 11-12-07, 07:19 AM
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don't worry its actually not a huge change and you get used to it very quickly.

when to sub can depend on a whole lot of things but a good general rule is sub only when your team is in possession.
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Yeah I agree not too much different but there is something to pass along to a team that hasn't done any inwater subbing. Watching for teammates coming to the sub box is more important than watching the game. On deck this was usually not an issue as you could see people come bailing out of the water, and you were up on dry land breathing and maybe talking if for some reason you didn't recognize who just rolled up on deck, you'd soon hear the shouts of your coach/teammates. With in water side subbing it is very easy to get distracted by watching the game happen and not realize your subbing buddy has exited the playing area. Amazing what can happen in just a couple crucial seconds.
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another few question about being "in-water" all the time:

can subs get out by the sub area for more of a rest? also what happens if a player gets cramp and only needs a short rest on the side, will they be able to rejoin the game?
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if you haven't done it before, you may find that floating is more beneficial as rest than hauling yourself out of the water onto the side. the added bonus of being able to see whats going on in the game is too valuable to throw away, plus it's possible to stretch etc while in the water... drinks etc are generally in a floating bin at the back of the subbing area or on the poolside.

...if you get cramp in a game, you don't swim to the side, strecth for a few seconds and then rejoin the game... you just sub out. far better to get someone 100% capable in the water and then take a decent amount of time making sure you get yourself as right as you can.
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The only real difference I have noticed, and Atapene correct me if I'm wrong, is to keep the side subbing into consideration when being on that wall.

If you're coming up along the sub-side, it will make it easier for the opponent to get fresh players in to stop you. They just have to go down. This will also be your benefit if you get a puck away from your goal along that wall. But as Liam said, only sub when being in posession.

Second disadvantage in my opinion is that inexperienced, over eager chief refs can call for wrong subbing when somebody sticks his or her head a bit too deep in the water to follow the game. They need to see 4 caps (or at least the top) above the water at all times.
It happened in Bari several times (but the refs were a bit of a joke there).
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But to be fair Fred, counting four caps on the surface is the only way for the Chief Ref to be able to see how many subs there are. They can't count the players in the water to check there are just six. Liam's right, side subbing grants the subs the advantage of being able to follow the game, but they should content themselves with doing so from water level and not going under.
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Scarface I know it's the only way of doing it, but sometimes chief refs were really being rediculous about it and immediately stopping the game if one head went down.
I agree players shouldn't follow the games by going up and down in the sub area, but of course, as with everything, it is a fine line.

Another thing to watch is the touching of the front rope that goes to the playing field. That's a big NONO as well
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