Penalty SHOTS

Hahaha thats funny
because i know of a few different refs that would call the same play differently. ive even seen 2 world refs argue about it before.

thats what needs to be done the talk about...the movement of the player...standing your ground on the shot...having to move out of the way if you are able to. There needs to be that BASE that EVERYONE KNOWS so there is no confusion and if 2 refs saw something hopefully they would be able to make the SAME CALL.

...this can be done at the refs meeting before any major (or minor) comp

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I was actually trying to pre-empt a slightly different brand of nitpicking to this where people might suggest that being hit by the puck 1 inch below your hip counts as being hit in the leg and would hence be a foul, but cheers for that one.

Just one of the beauties of interpretation.

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No it shouldnt be something that should be just done for tournaments it should be the same basis for the whole world.... Otherwise different countries would play the puck differently and might get called at worlds but in their home its ok to do that. This needs to be a Worldwide setting so we do not need to change our style of play for every different tournament

Right. That's what Liam is saying. But I'll break it down for ya. Before every tournament at the refs meeting the subject could and should be talked about. He didn't say just explain how it's going to get called at this tournament. But explain it the same way at every tournament so that all refs are on the same page by... well, let's say 2032 just to be safe.

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Ok but I dont care if its just discussed all the time. Its the different kind of discussions....Like at one trouanment they might discuss calling it one way and at another tournament they might call it another. To take out the different kind of calling everywhere and not having to explaing it all the time it should have a "guideline" in the rulebook. This generalizes it better so Everyone in the World knows the basis.

I admit that I was making a point, but the general principle is the same I think.

There is never going to be a rule here that makes everyone happy. Clever players will always look to take advantage of every loophole they think they see in the rules, whether that is leaving their legs hanging to block a shot in one case, or purposely throwing at the defenders legs in the other.

On the other hand... I have never understood why it is not called dangerous play when someone flicks into the legs of the defender. Having my kneecap shattered by a lead puck would be considered dangerous in my book.

Banning flicking may be a solution. It would also remove a potential hazard from the game and would mean we don't have to invest in mouthguards as well.

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Faster than a speeding puck...

I like the idea of guidelines for the refs to be able to interpret the game more consistently across geo's. Some enterprising ref should start a website with video examples (a picture is worth a thousand words) and the interpretation of the play from the world chief ref.

If they need material I can find any number of examples of misinterpretation from my video collection.

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Great Idea!! Duck actually asked for this to get started brom various folks in the US several months ago. There was a lot of energy early and I'm not sure what if anything has happened. I think collecting and putting together good and bad video clips might be a start. There is the French site with loads of small clips some of which have examples of fouls. I'm too lazy to look for the link right now.

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