To shoot or swim (outbreak)

To shoot or swim

. During a close outbreak. when you do not have the compleet controlle but as a result the last defender also can not steal the puck. What will you do then. Swim the puck in the gool, or try get the control and then shoot/flick.
(normal in these situations i flick/shoot. But my arm/elbow really hurts at the moment when i do that.)



Much seen these days that players does not shoot becuase their leader has forbidden that. Also not for open gool. We tell players iff you can shoot/flick , please shoot/flick and swim after it. It can be the different between a gool or be intersepted by the last defender because you did not shoot on the time in shooting distance for open gool.

But by shooting or swimming. Always keep on swimming when you are on the offensive. When you stop swimming. the defender will intersept. And when you flick/shoot. Also keep on swimming after the puck. Iff the flick goes wrong. you can try to push it into the gool. When you stop swimming the defencive player will take the puck and swimm away.

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Nah, keep it on your stick, otherwise how do you know it's your's. Its a lot harder to grab the puck off someone's stick than from 1 foot out in front of them.

On this movie
There was an open gool. And a possiblity to flick/shoot.
And there is no chanch for the defender to steal the puck. because there was a flick/shot. When he has not done that, the defender had the chanch to steal the puck..

SO when not and when do you flick/shoot on the gool.

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in that first video, when the 2nd player to flick did; he left the puck in the open for the defending player to steal - but the defender decided to foul him instead

generally flicking in that situation will only result in a lost puck, unless your trying to force the defender into a turn where another one of your attacking players will be on the other side (double-teaming)

in the 2nd video if the player that flicked the puck had enough speed they could of just swam around the inside player - they already had enough space on them

Next one

Flick or swim into 3 defenders.


PS all these movies when you see green or yellow swimming trousers its my own team.
And the first movie is myself.
After this video i have 1 movie for this topic left.
With me in the defencive roll.

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i have many mili second thoughts like this as i am a forward.

well, in the first vid,
i would have flicked and sprinted after it.
its back to psyscoligical power again,once you flick you are devoted to getting it in and your mind will see that your almost there and get strenght from somewhere to find thre energy to sprint,if the defender gets the puck after striker flicking then there will always be the buddy(black) that passed him the puck(as he would surface and go back down to come on theright side defender)like a sandwich(as todd said),
i´d think that its imortant to flick and sprint and keep the pressure forward(not surface)thus forcing the defender to do an awkward turn to th eright and going across most of his own goal then bam sandwich comes in and its a goal
if he drives it in then maybe it would end up with no vision of the puck getting close and (if he was nearly out of breath) then the attack would drizzle out feably to a give up situation
and most defenders will have a lungfull of air as they are waiting for attackers and ready.

video two i think the striker did the best he could
why
well there were 3 defenders if im correct
he would have neverbeen able to flick that in

the only wrong thing he did was when he turned he tried to flick for goal but if you look closely,his buddy was in a perfect position to get a pass and flick it in as when the striker truned he opened up the whole goal.

well thats how i think forwards should score goals not on their own but in groups of two.
but its easy saying this sitting at a desk,its a different story seeing all of these things in all the mayhem and physical exertion in a game.

im not sure if this is the right attitude but i´d like to hear from more experienced players.

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I think you mean movie 3? Were the offencive player makes a turn were there are 3 defenders between him and the gool.

Iff you look good you see he flicks/shoot the puck in the gool after the turn.
But yes he had the possibility to pass it to his buddy. But like you said. Its easy to say it when you see the movie. But at the time during the game and the mayhem that brings the game with it you can not always see the other option. (he was busy with those defenders)


In all those 3 movies the gool is made.
movie 1 by swimming
movie 2 by flicking/shooting
Movie 3 by flicking/shooting after a turn.

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Movie 4 (Sven on the defence) NO GOOL MADE!




Movie 5 (Sven breaks out to the gool) GOOL MADE
Here i did not make a flick. It was not possible.
But by making the turn so close by the gool my wingman recieved the puck and pushed it in.



So now we have 5 examples.
So the question
Shoot/flick or swim?

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I didn't need to see all 5 examples to answer this, but they do reinforce my thoughts.
1st choice is swim the puck into the goal whenever possible. Hell, keep the puck on your stick whenever possible in all situations. Period

2nd choice control the puck as long as you can and flick into the goal and follow it (something your players weren't doing in at least two of those clips.)

3rd choice flick and chase to open space, there are times and places, and I'm guilty of doing this often when its not called for, but the long and the short of it is, even if you have momentum on your side as soon as it leaves your stick anywhere in the playing area its no longer your puck and you can't control where it goes. You can send it in the right direction, but there are factors outside your influence.

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Ultimately it doesn't matter which method you use if the puck goes in and the ref sees it so that a goal is awarded. There are situations that swimming it in will get you stuffed and there are situations where flicking it will get the puck knocked down. Something I have said here in the past and will keep saying is there are no always and nevers in this game. Anyone who teaches to always swim it and never throw it hasn't accounted for the exceptions. Is the goal flush to the bottom or do parts of it sit higher than others? Do you have help coming to pinch the opps or are you alone? Is the bottom very fast or so-so? Did both fins stay on your feet for the drive? And a lot more variables are out there. You have to go with what the situation dictates rather than a pre-conceived must-do way.

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