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Old 18-07-07, 11:18 PM
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Consept idea free puck tactick
(Moving slowly till there is almost contact.)

Free puck break-out. (reactionair free puck)
to avoid the hell breaking loose when flicking the puck inside a growd made from players from both sides. And try to break away the easy way. were there are not much players. A tactick for using against stronger players when you have a team with weaker players like some older juniors etc in it. That has not the fisical strenght as senior players. And will loose when the puck is flicked in that growd were the hell breaks loose when the puck is flickt inside.
(Done it one game and that game it workt that game.)

But there are weak points i it. So all greath mind off uwh can look what the find off it and maybe chanche it a little.



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5 players behind the puck and 1 player between the opponents. (not for direct recieving the puck but to disorganise the opponent.(if nessesairy he/she can recieve the puck) When taken a free puck the front line players behind the puck ,stay in half shooting distance from each other.
After making contact with the puck they move slowly forwards. and look how the opponent react. (not swim or shoot fast frontward. but see how the opponent react and react to that. and use there weakest side)

When attact the mid frontliner can shoot the puck to:

1.1 To the player left from him (if possible a left handed player)
1-2 after he/she swims as fast as possible to the left side-line from the playing field
1.3 the backup player follows him to assist or take over when the break away player is stopt.
1.4 the player between the opponents goed with the out-break to recieve as nessesairy the puck.
1.5 the midfore player stays behind to look for counters and defence as long as the breakout goes on.

2.1 to the player right from him (i ff possible a right handed player)
2.2 after recieving the puck he/she swim as fast as possible to the right side-line from the playing field
2.3 the backup player follows him to assist or take over when the break away player is stopt.
2.4 the player between the opponents goes with the out-break to recieve as nessesairy the puck.
2.5 the midfore player stays behind to look for counters and defence as long as the break out goes on.

3.1 the midfore player shoots the puck backward to the backup player. when doing that his legs a going upwards.
3.2 the back player slowly swims to the midfor and see how the opponents react.
3.3 when the oppontnes swim across/above the midfore player he swims with the puck under the midfore player and goes to the attack.(or the other side from that midfore player where the opponent is not passing him in his hunt for the puck)
3.4 the midfore follows the break out player te assist him and the player that was between the opponents during the free pucks swims also as fast as possible forwards to recieve the puck when is flicks/shoot by the break away player.
3.5 the left and right wing players take the defence for possible counter actacks after loosing the puck.

the backup player can also decide to flick the puck to player left wing or right wing and so set off/begin the options 1 and/or 2
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Old 18-07-07, 11:28 PM
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Sven, I like your idea of focussing on free pucks as a thread topic, but perhaps the initial post should be kept a little bit more simple/concise so it will develop through discussion.

An idea would be to have an image which illustrates where the puck is in relation to the rest of the pool, as well as where the opposition has set up, and then it can be discussed through text and image what varying strategies can be used to most effectively retain possession and make ground (or score) in that situation.

It is just a suggestion, as I believe in this case pictures and diagrams speak more easily than words. And perhaps it will reveal more interesting concepts that not everyone is aware of.

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Not a bad plan. I think the swimming slowly forward would only work once. The opposition forwards would then start rushing your wings. If they can cut them off they can then turn into the puck carrier and create some serious pressure. If the puck carrier throws it forward their turning will hamper and prevent the wings from moving forwards to help out and you'll lose the puck.

What about watching how the opposition sets up so you know which way you're going to go before you even touch the puck?
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Some of this is going to have to be videoed for ease of understanding
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Yeah sorry, I should have put a picture with that, but my graphical ability is severely limited at the moment.
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Its sort of like an umbrella, with execption, that you wait for opponents move. the fronts must be close togetherso noone can get thru, just over or under. in that case an opening comes for swiming under or flickig over to forward ?

3.3 when the oppontnes swim across/above the midfore player he swims with the puck under the midfore player and goes to the attack.(or the other side from that midfore player where the opponent is not passing him in his hunt for the puck)

Isnt this supposed to be obstruction? midfore player is obstructing? or am i wrong? Its like blocking in basketball sort of. or Pick & roll.

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Its sort of like an umbrella, with execption, that you wait for opponents move. the fronts must be close togetherso noone can get thru, just over or under. in that case an opening comes for swiming under or flickig over to forward ?
No you descibe a umbrella. The tactick i placed here is not an umbrella. The purpose from this tactic is flick the puck away to a side when you see wich side is the weakest when the opponent is moving. But just before the opponent can reach out the the puck that is flickt. and then go as fast as possible to a side. arround the stronger opponents in the middle. Thats why the 3 in front players must have a distance between them of half a flick lenght from the mid player. So he/she can flick under them to there other side from the reciever ,and the reciever can go swimming without waiting or place the puck at the right side etc. Just go after the puck and keep the puck moving in full speed...

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3.3 when the oppontnes swim across/above the midfore player he swims with the puck under the midfore player and goes to the attack.(or the other side from that midfore player where the opponent is not passing him in his hunt for the puck)
Isnt this supposed to be obstruction? midfore player is obstructing? or am i wrong?
No it is opstruction. In this tactick it can be that he can not go to the surface because the opponents fast goes over him. When the midfore has waited for the opponent and he choose to flick/pass it to the back. he cant get away in time. Try it yourself? waith for somebody that comes in full speed to you and then flick it backwards with a sort off roll so your belly and legs are somewath from the bothem. but at that time the opponent is already swimming across or passed you. and the back can see were he/she get passed him and choos the other side or goes under the midfore in full speed forewards.

SO this tactic begins slow but when it really begins its full speed. and no stopping.(momentum x velocity) thus keep swimming when started.


On this photos you see a roll flick only because off the photo did wrong. he is to high from the bothem.
His head and shoulders must be against the bothem.
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"The purpose from this tactic is flick the puck away to a side when you see wich side is the weakest when the opponent is moving. But just before the opponent can reach out the the puck that is flickt."

a question ?
if you start swimming slowly(while looking for the weakest area to flick)areŽnt the forwards(on the opposite side) surely going to be sprinting right to that puck the minute the gong goes,ending up the puck being taken off you and then bieng attacked as opposed to attacking.

i just think that there is no time to think in free puck situations or else you will be punished.
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"The purpose from this tactic is flick the puck away to a side when you see wich side is the weakest when the opponent is moving. But just before the opponent can reach out the the puck that is flickt."

a question ?
if you start swimming slowly(while looking for the weakest area to flick)areŽnt the forwards(on the opposite side) surely going to be sprinting right to that puck the minute the gong goes,ending up the puck being taken off you and then bieng attacked as opposed to attacking.

i just think that there is no time to think in free puck situations or else you will be punished.
THinking is a big word.
No there is little time for thinking but there is time to look and to react.
And before touching the puck you can already see something about what the opponent is going to do.
just by looking were they are and were they look to.
And swimming slowly gives a little bit time extra.

but like all tacticks you must train.
We train this one not with the 3 meters as by a free puck but with 1,5 meter before the puck. So they are traint to react fast.

it give's a fisical weaker team the chanch to avoid power play with those fisical stronger players what they 100% surely will loose. So is flicking a strong point when done before the opponents can touch it. And a good flick is faster then every player can swim. And when done correctly against a 3 man block you passed already 3 players. And the defence players off the opponents must react and the presure is on them. And another tactics begins then.

But maybe i must make some other drawings to show it. So you can see what i mean.
(off these free puck tactick. and the block from the opponent)
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THinking is a big word.
No there is little time for thinking but there is time to look and to react.
And before touching the puck you can already see something about what the opponent is going to do.
just by looking were they are and were they look to.
And swimming slowly gives a little bit time extra.

I have to disagree with the swimming slowly part, it will not give you extra time. As Benson said it MIGHT work once, but this really sounds like you are saying this is a setup specifically for a defense that is dropping a three man wall. In that case I suppose it is a sound concept. But I would argue in general on ALL free pucks swimming slowly and reacting to the defense is counter productive. YOU have the puck, You have control, make THEM (the defense) react to YOU. The best way to maintain that advantage is to know what you are going to do, then do it. If you are reacting to the movements of the defensive team (maybe just one person on that team) then your teammates are reacting to what you are doing and this allows the backs on the defensive team to be patient and get into a good position. Because the defense are the ones dictating where the puck is going, and by the sound of your play it is the forwards on the defensive team, so the backs can just sit watch and set up.

If I’m playing my position correctly (forward) there is nothing I like to see more than the person to take possession of the advantage puck and swim slowly. I will close on you and you will not have much time to look and see what the rest of my team is doing, if you do you will have a hard time making that pass by me, especially if, after you touch the puck you still have not decided to go left or right.

In general with free pucks you have a three meter advantage. Look at the set up before possessing the puck, maybe feint at the puck to see how the defense reacts, but once you take possession you better move and move fast and make the defense react to YOUR movements not the other way around.
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