Free pucks

great idea
or even better,could you line your team(attacking) up as per usual in the bunch of defenders and then when the signal is given all move into liams diagram´s position?

this would really confuse the defenders, i bet they would´nt know where they are..
would there be time?
could it be done?

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top of de mornin to yeh

problem would be youd be facing the wrong way and so lack strength in the direction of the goal ie forwards

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it's more polite on the grating than on the subs bench

yeah,they would have to surface,swim 3 meters or 4 meters to where the puck will be driven from and turn their body angle,facing the bin and then down again,its tight but very interesting if you could get it done fast.

hhhhmmm,chin scratching begins

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top of de mornin to yeh

Off topic for this thread, I think BentFishBoy is incorrect in this point. So I started a new thread.

http://www.underwaterhockeyworld.com...=4019#post4019

this thread cracked me up, thanks Dolan for bringing it back to the top... can't resist making a couple of points:

QUOTE SVEN: "The game at that time NZ against Netherlands ended in 1-1. But the netherlands used Something that looks like a part off this consept tactick is uses agaist you. And as far as i now. NZ was 6th and the Netherlands 5th."

Easy there Sven boy... other comments are accurate, NL was not competitive at this tournament. I assume you got this play out of the play book that was written by Jimmy before the tournament and distributed to a lot of people in NL afterwards. Bear in mind that a lot of those were ideas that did not work. There is also one that is very similar to the Benson free puck I saw in the thread... along the lines of 'Jols gets the puck, tricks everyone from the opposition and scores'. To my shame, this one did not work.


QUOTE LIAM: "yes sven in fact i did play in that game, did you? the netherlands certainly didn't use the freepuck we have been discussing. in fact they had a very simple but effective strike, scored from it, and spent the rest of the game trying to keep the puck in their own defensive corner."

Partly true... one effective strike, but after watching the video must conclude that this rest of the game nonsense isn't true. Although admittedly our tactics were negative and it must have felt like it to the opposition.


QUOTE SVEN: "Lets say against who we did try it and won the free puck all 14 times.
Its was a former top-rank team with 4 selection members in it
(at that time the dutch were europian champs!)
So my second senior team did use it effecly against a former top rank team.
Not bad for the lowest team at that time in dutch competition....."

Curious who this team was Sven, since with 4 selection players in it, it could only be one of three clubs and frankly, if they fell for this it might explain why we came 5th in 2000. I know it wasn't Argonauta, since I don't believe I have ever played against you (as mentioned before) so then it can be only two...


Ideal free puck with a good team is... "Player1 takes it, players 2-5 have a brain and look at how the opposition is positioned and position themselves to attempt to take advantage of it. Player1 checks them out, chooses the best option and all players support."
Highly effective in a team of mature players.

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Faster than a speeding puck...

So nice that you agre with me.

Like the free puck option in the first posting


"Player1 takes it" /

midfor takes it

"players 2-5 have a brain and look at how the opposition is positioned and position themselves to attempt to take advantage of it"

The wings look how the opposition is positioned and position themself to attemd to take advantage of it.

"Player1 checks them out, chooses the best option and all players support"

The midfor checks it out, choose the best option and react.
when the opponent react and show there block tactick.


Maybe you did not understand. when i said that it was when i did tell that is was tryed out last year. And so far as i now. After 2000 there were other big international toernament also. For the man and woman selection. And it is so easy to count orange selection bathers.

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When you are good, then you are not bad..

Ummm.. no.

You have a pretty picture with where players are supposed to be positioned. In my example, the players do whatever they want... left goes to the right, stands on his head, whatever. There is no point drawing a picture of that since the way the opposition sets up will determine every position in the water, except for the player who has to take the puck.

Midforward taking the puck is an accepted tactic, but if you think that he swims up from a free puck and simply passes left or right and that player gets away then you are bonkers. As others have said earlier... the other team is not stupid and will cover these extremely simple options. The other options are passing back (never a good idea) or going himself.. and unless you are Benson (snakeman) the most likely next action is the opposition forward turning and blocking you with his bum.


Quote Sven: "Maybe you did not understand. when i said that it was when i did tell that is was tryed out last year."

Yes, Sven, but against who, who who... who are they , whoooh whooh. (CSI theme). The over 80's all girls Tilburg retirement home team doesn't count, even if they have 4 players wearing orange togs.

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Faster than a speeding puck...

I can see the discussion is started again. Not because it’s a wrong concept. But because its Sven who told this concept. In fact you say exactly the same. Only your way is a little bit weaker. In basic like Sven told you, you told him the same. Only in his case everybody in his team now’s going to happen. So you can speak about team tactic. You can describe his reaction like search for the 2 different in it. You will not find it in that basic reaction. Only in the second reaction. Were you can really see that the big shot option is simple just doing something with no tactic plan at all. Like told by Jols. The players do whatever they want. I am even surprise that they did not became last with this mentality in the 2000 games. That is not tactic but simply beginners play. There is more like you are bonkers. Then is my question why? You can not say before the mid passes the puck were it will go. Its an open and flexible tactic. And were does your puck go? Like all beginners passed into the crowed and everybody to it and hope for the best? That’s not a tactic. That is an brutal battle and hope you are the strongest.or is your puck like Svens tactic also going to the sides?

I am sorry that you feel that way. Have I offended you in some way? If I have, my apologies, but that was not my intention.

What I have said is in fact no different to other posts from diverse people in the thread.

I do not believe that it is a weaker free puck, in fact the concept is different. In Sven's example he dictates where his team will position themselves for the free puck, but in what I said each member of the team chooses their own positions based on their position (ie forward/back) and how the opposition is set up. In other words, you give your taker options, and he has the overview to pick the best one.

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Faster than a speeding puck...

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Originally Posted by darkster I can see the discussion is started again. Not because it’s a wrong concept. But because its Sven who told this concept.

ummm... no, becuase there is a flawed concept and mis-information, not just because its Sven.

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Originally Posted by darkster In fact you say exactly the same. Only your way is a little bit weaker. In basic like Sven told you, you told him the same. Only in his case everybody in his team now’s going to happen.

Not true. I'm not going to say I agree with the way Jols is describing a free puck to be taken, but they are not the same, and I would argue that no one on Sven’s team knows what’s going to happen, they have to react to the motion of the puck just like Jols example.
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in Jols example the player taking the puck is looking at HIS teammates who have positioned themselves according to the defense and THEN makes a decision based on his teammates BEFORE he touches the puck, causing the defense to react to the movement of the puck.

In Sven's example the offensive players line up and the defense will adjust to them (something that is was pointed out repeatedly NOT taken into consideration in the drawings) Then the player taking the puck reacts to the motion of the defense AFTER he takes possession and the decision is based on what the defense gives him. The offensive players and the defensive players are now in the same boat as nobody knows where the puck is going to go, so everyone is going to react to the puck in the same way, and the way the drawing is set up, chances are two defenders will be all over the one person who receives the pass. Taking the puck and waiting to see what the defense does is a flawed concept I don’t care who wants to suggest it.