Free pucks

They can try that. But look to the first diagram in the first post.

The pas is made before the opponent is by them to intersept the puck, (like i told in the first posting). SO its a game between fast swimming player ,against a turn and fast swimming player. Like the diagram shows the puck is recieve just before it can be intersepted. but becuase the players are already swimming and recieve the puck on the other side. they can acseleraid fast and swimm passed them and then left the opposing team behind.
You cant. Because the puck is flicks before the opponent can slapp it down.
You make the assumption that they waith so long you can touch the puck. Its not.

But please make a diagram from these options. were i can see all the opposing players. and how inn the world they can stop all 3 or even 5 options iff you look at the first post.variants with that position.

There will be always ways to stop every variant and tacticks.
I never told its a wonder tactick. I told its a consept tactick.
And like all tacticks sometimes it works and sometimes it dont.
But what i learnt from the discusion by now its that its a good tacticks.
Iff the opponents defend there wings you can straigt to the middle. IS the oponent strong in the middle you can easly go to the wings. The possible variations makes it strong. And the opposition can pas react after the flick they are to far away from for interseption.

1.a flick is always faster then a swimmer
2. a swimmer in a straight line is always faster then a swimmer that first must turn.
3. you can not keep a close formation iff you want to try to defend all possibilities from this tactick. 1 off the 3 points is always weaker.

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You misunderstand my intent. The concept is not a bad one, it is a good one and a very commonly used one. The problem lies not within the diagrams, it lies within intent. You are not creating play, you are reacting to your opponent. This means that your opponent is controlling what you do with the puck. It is very easy for the opposition to send out a single forward, causing you to go in the opposite direction, where they can easily herd you towards the wall or the corner. For your free pucks to be effective you have to take control and dictate the game to your opposition.

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Here you go then, this is my version of what to do on a free puck.
Only the guy with the puck moves. Everyone else remains static to fool the opposition.

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Sven, you say there is no time for the opposition to swim out and slap the puck down? Why is that? What is stopping the defending team from accelerating off the mark right towards your player as soon as he touches the puck to take the free, getting between them and their team mates.

Lets say everything does go to plan, and you get the flick off perfectly - behind your opposition; what's stopping him from dropping - say his left shoulder - to the tiles, so you swim into his back, he can then pick up the puck freely, or allow his teammates to pick it up.

Or do I, like everybody other then yourself have no idea what I'm talking about?

@Todd
Please read the answers i give Benson
And look to the drawings/diagramms.

But again i will try(with a diagram) with it.


1:
Quote todd: So line 1 let see where they are going:
- the mid straight to the mid
- the defending wing to intersept between the offence players (mid and wing)

2.
So the flick is made before the attacking defender can intersept or come between them.
(like i told before: quote myself: the flick is made before it can by intersept.)

3.
Simply there is compleet no reason for the defender (white player)to put is shouder down. He must made a turn to intersept a player with a puck that is swimming away from him. He can stop the mid from go after the wing to help him (but that will be obstruction and then the free puck i surly won and the free puck line will go 3 meter more to the white team gool) ,but iff you look to the other diagramms you see that its not the mid that follows him. Its the number 2 and 5 (from that diagramm)
The first one player that can block him and lett him swim into his back is player (white)6. But thats after many meters and in defence before the gool off the white team. And it has nothing to do anymore with taking a free puck At that time its a normal break-out with the so call't highway.

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rather than giving my opinion in my own words read this quote again... no READ every word and let it sink in, don't just skim over it and say yeah yeah yeah I get it but look at my drawing I have options. READ these words above. IF you are reacting to the opponent you are giving away part of your advantage. AS I said earlier, I, ME, ONE singular forward is going to force your deciscion on which way you go, and I might get there faster than you think, and if I do it will be one on one with me (white #2) and your green #6.

Also your white #'s 4 and 5 Are way to agressive. They will not be colapsing on the puck forward, they will wait and see where the puck is going. Let me try my hand at the drawing to set up the defense. in the meantime Sven, ask yourself is that how you would set up the defense to an advantage puck for your team??

Ok, so this might be a bit closer to reality.



To start you see how white #1 and 3 start more spread out to match the offense. Secondly #2 comes out hard decreasing the possible passing angle, while the other forwards come out strong but are aware of the passing lanes. #’s 4 and 5 are much less aggressive waiting to see where the puck goes before they commit to attacking, giving them much more space and time to intercept the player the puck is passed to. See how there is almost no forward movement to the puck.

Here is another possibility.



If your initial puck possessor is looking at the defendrs actions to decide what they are going to do, ie have not decided what they will do with the puck, forward #2 may close on you faster than you expect (it happens, and if I can find the video I’ll share an example from 2002 worlds) and the result is a break away one on one, and as you said earlier its faster to swim in a straight line than to turn.

I’m not disagreeing with the concept to go around. Benson already pointed out most nations believe this to be a good idea. In most parts of the pool tossing the puck into the defense just gives them the puck. What I disagree with is the timing, and the argument that you can move slow and base your decision on what the defense is doing. If your going to move sideways do it immediately, do it fast, and know that everyone on the team knows before the gong what is going to happen, that way the defense reacts to you.

Example: was a great site, and 15+ years old!! but most of the video links are dead.

I'm guessing yes! But maybe Tilburg likes defending 5 attacking players with just 3 guys. If they do defend it this way they must get a lot of practice at it.

If the 1 defender sees the 1 offender go wide he will respect that. Unless the plan is that the back is coming up tight behind the 1 defender. If that is the case, then the play doesn't work anyway.

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I can see the rebuttal already --

No, the 5 draws the defenders in as they all focus on him leaving the outside WIDE open.

Don't go that route Sven. Just accept that your drawing and the reactions of the defenders are just as silly as BFBs drive to the goal.

btw Tuck, I like the option 2 defense

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Oh yeah, and now they're broke.

my little problem svenny baby is that not only does the opposition player have to turn to swim after the pass but so does YOUR player... kind of removing the advantage of swimming without turning. if your player sets up facing outwards... so will the opposition. unless you intend on using the tactic purely when playing complete morons.

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