Tactics

Tactics

You can read about most off the aspects from underwaterhockey here on this forum.
And most off the people that post something and want to discuss anything are top-rank players or were good players.

So I’m really surprised that there is still nothing about tactics out here.

What is the tactic the top off the world play with?

Is it still the very old tactic with position play
(defender/midfield/attack) in every variant like numbers tell
Like 2-2-2 or 3-2-1 etc And the highway like we seen much in use by many teams

Or does your country/team use another tactic
So how does your team play.

I can write a compleet book about the tilburg tacticks and the tacticks in those tactick
but i'm interested in the world tacticks. Maybe there is something new.

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There's lots of new and interesting strategies.
But telling your opposition in depth how you play also teaches your opposition how to stop you.

Which is why not many of us care to expand...

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The tactics you are going to use next games? no please keep that secret.
But i hoped that somebody tell someting new for the rest off the world that is not the top-rank. Or is the tactick still the same like 10 year ago.(that old school static and weak position play) Like technicks there is not much sharing with the sub-top or beginners. But by tacticks there is NO sharing if you are no top-rank club/team/player. And i dont ask for the newest new tacticks

Some sharing is nessesairy to improve the sport. And that is not the small details and newest were you want to suprice the opponents with. I now in Netherlands each time after a WK or EK there is questions what the top-rank has seen on new tacticks. But even sharing that is not done......

I now we are different. But thats because Tilburg used a form of waterpolo for tacticks and that sport used the static position play like uwh for many year not anymore.(we are all old waterpolo players) But must new tactick come from the beginners and sub-top. I dont think so. Even waterpolo top-rank teams share as fast as possible after each toenament and so keep the qualitie in the sub top to have new talent easy come in the top-rank when needed.

So please share. Maybe you think is well nown some basic but maybe its not.
Or is the basic still by almost everybody in the world that old school en weak static position play.
That so easy to take the angle out iff you wanted.

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Hmm, that's an interesting situation. I know in NZ the tactics filter from the top down. There aren't many people playing for the elite teams that don't either currently coach other teams or have at least done a lot of serious coaching in the past. And most of the teams being coached are schools teams so we get to teach good tactical play right from the start of a players career.

Maybe you need to put some pressure on the national teams to spend some time disseminating their knowledge and bringing younger players through. Get some coaches out there. Although, maybe getting refs in the water first would be a good start...

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...sounds like you think you have the answer already sven, how about you tell us about the tilberg waterpolo tactics, how they differ from the standard "static and weak" stuff?

you're right, new things are good sometimes, but generally when it comes to tactics actually making anything work in the first place no matter how simple is hard enough for most teams and individuals.

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So in NZ there is some sharing. Why not share it out here?(the basic)
The last about new tacticks (i did get becuase my function) was the world 2000 dutch manual with al the dutch tacticks made by E.J. Herbert and commissiond by S.Duis. After that Nothing. And i tryed to get more information. to get more attention to the sub-top and lower.

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Yes i now. But i dont now iff the top-rank in the world plays like that anymore.I now the sub-top and lower in the netherlands do.

DO YOU STILL USE AS BASIC THAT STATIC POSITION PLAY?
(even that is not shared)

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sven, what on earth are you even talking about, if you want an answer to a question you should frame the question so that we can tell what you mean.

do you mean, do most people still construct a formation using the format 2-2-2 or 3-2-1 etc to describe the layout of positions? then yes, probably most people do, i don't know any that don't, it's the simplest way to do it.

i have no idea why you think that is a static way to play, if i'm getting your meaning and HUGE negative connotations and hints correctly.

i would probably term the basic system a zone-style formation, with the zones varying depending on how many forwards you have, or midfields or whatever.

it's a fairly time-tested format to describe things like this... football does it in exactly the same way.

does that answer your question sven? are you going to lower your voice now?

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I would have to agree with Liam. Its not static at all. Its just a simple terminology, way of describing zones which a player occupates in relation to the play. The Australian way of playing is open and anything but static.

Never.

Yes in combination off that zone play.
And i now 3 teams that dont uses that play. Thats why i as most time defender also are the top score player from my team,.
Position play in zones,
Its indeed the simplest way. But the simplest way is not always the best.

In the Tilburg tactics we dont use zones and positions you can,t leave.
But it means good trust in eachother and training. But its a way a lazy team that played only for fun can win from the belgium selection in a fair way. And even destroy them conditional.And there condition was far better then ours.

We use a close but chanching formation.Were it not important were you are (in witch zone) But its important to keep the formation intact, and not the positions you are in. (the formation is not the compleet team)

Its indeed a terminologie. And we learn our players also to play like that at first.(in zones) But only because they then learn also the weak points in the zone way off playing. In the way most opponents use it in the netherlands. Because there is little to no feedback how to use it correctly most times those teams you can defeed line for line.

In our point off view every player must be an alround player. There is only 1thing that is said during a game and that is.
Your turn to take the startpuck.
After that the circus starts and everybody plays alround. Only by free pucks /start,penaltypucks/ etc you see people that has a specialitie for that little bit. It looks for the opponent like a compleet chaos but its not. We now exacly what we are doing.and as long as 1 of the 2 formations that turn and chanche like 3 formations stays in tact you must really fight to win for every cm.

It sounds like chaos
It looks like chaos
But its a well done tactick
And like a top-rank player that look to our play said.
I dont now how your team did it but there was always a player
or more on the right place.
But also most time another player. that used another skill.

SO i told you something in basic but i do not tell you the exacly tactick in the tactick.

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