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Old 17-07-07, 05:45 AM
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I also concur with benny on the need for a sub-forum on formations and tactics. I'd like to see some other ideas on the generalities. I have ideas on the various ways say a 3-2-1 can be played but would love to hear what others think are the strengths and weakness's of particular formations or tactics. Maybe we can get into some specifics of what are the strong points and the weak points.
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Since '98 I think most countries have adapted their own Hammer, regardless of the name. From personal experience I think keeping the puck on the stick as long as possible is best. I've been on teams now where the plan was:
a) to flick big past the opponents first line then swarm them.
or
b)To just use small flicks to keep the puck moving toward the middle of the goal exactly as described in the KO Arrow.
or
c)for the team to do whatever it could to keep the puck on the center's stick swimming it forward.

Depending on how the opponent's Defense is set some combination of keeping it on a stick and using only short flicks when needed after clearing the first line. It seems anytime the puck comes off the stick there is potential for the defense to get possession, and in this situation if they see what is coming there is a possiblity they can get their own break-away around the side. If it's kept on a stick better chance the worst to happen would only be for the defense to gain control and swim it to a wall but not mount an imediate counter attack.

Maybe its also nice iff possible iff everybody place a drawing/picture about what he mains. Sometimes a tacticks has different names or 2 different tacticks the same.

I think the couches box is the right place to put those tactick in. Its most times the couche that tell to a team how to play.

Maybe some splitt in discussions not by tactick only but by sort tacticks
1.Free puck tacticks
2.Kick off tacticks
3.defence tacticks
4.break out tacticks
5.switch tacticks (defence and attack)
6.attack tacticks.

So you have all tacticks on a place easy to find.And there will be no discussions dubble because iff you want to discuss defence you can place it by defence or look by defence of there is a tactick already there but with another name.
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sorry to have gone so long between posts, i've been on holiday and the net here is crap.

good thing i was away or i probably would have flamed the lights out of someone and got banned. but now that others have sorted things out, great.

personally i have a big problem with trying to understand your posts sven, because i just cant understand what you're talking about, it's a language barrier i think. but also you make constant references to things that you seem to think everyone knows as common knowledge. it would really help if you always tried to use a description when discussing this stuff, as you have with your last few posts with the photocopies of the book of tactics you wrote in 2000, which looks like good stuff btw, but which i doubt anyone out of the netherlands has seen before. it's really good of you to put it out there, i know many people who wouldnt really like their teams tactics spammed on the net for every team to see when they are still perfectly valid and can still be used effectively when applied.

(well, not anymore obviously, as for instance with that jols hammer a team that sees you use it in a round-robin will now easily recognise it as something that could be repeated instead of just a oncer, and could hang a seagull forward on your off-half just in case and remove that option for you.)

diagrams are great.

i'm glad we've been kicked off the philosophical tracks as well, that was indeed like banging heads on a stone wall.

(would just like to point out to sven that he actually described his own team as fanatics in an earlier post... in case anyone thought i was name-calling)
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would just like to point out to sven that he actually described his own team as fanatics in an earlier post... in case anyone thought i was name-calling
You can call me fanatic. I am a more perfectionist in techniques and my own tactics but like i told before. You give many teams a good time iff you call Tilburg "fanatic" (they are not). Only fanatic in having a good time, having fun, and most important in helping new teams to start, and to share everything they now....

Its very important to share when you want to have good and fair games.
You can not expect from new and lower teams to play tactical and technical when nobody shares or tell them how to do it.

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diagrams are great.
Yes indeed. but they are all 9 to10 years old. They used it in 2000 but are made from 1998. And like someone told many teams use simulair tacticks. I like to see them. Maybe that simplest thing that is different is maybe the thing that mades them better (or not) And i hope some teams put some tacticks used inside the mean tacticks out here to. Even as they are older that these.

But its no suprice i choose these ones.
I seen them in use by the dutch teams. but also by teams from other countrys. So they are no secret. And i hope really that after this(putting those tacticks out here) some others put simulair or other tacticks out here.

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of the book of tactics that is written in 1998/2000, which looks like good stuff btw, but which i doubt anyone out of the netherlands has seen before. it's really good of you to put it out there
The "jols"hammer is no new tactick for inside the tacticks. Its really a shame iff its not shared. And its really a NZ like tacticks.

like bentafishboy said:
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Jols picked up the hammer from a tactic NZ used to great effect in the '98 games. Only difference is in '98 we made a point of not letting the puck off our sticks (i.e. not flicking forwards). I don't like the idea of not having the puck on somebody's stick, it smacks of a lack of control (but that's a particular hobby horse of mine so maybe it's ok). It would be interesting to compare the effectiveness of the two.
Please do share and so help the world wide UWH level to grow.
On the top-rank all teams nows these older tacticks from eacht other!
SO now its time to tell them to the new teams and lower classes(sub-top)
Or are you really afraid that a newbee team from wereever uses that tacticks?
Be happy iff they do. It helps the level off playing world wide to grow.
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But its now morning out here. I will try to make some diagrammas today iff a few free puck tacticks.
And put them out here i the "split" i said before.

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Maybe some splitt in discussions not by tactick only but by sort tacticks
1.Free puck tacticks
2.Kick off tacticks
3.defence tacticks
4.break out tacticks
5.switch tacticks (defence and attack)
6.attack tacticks.
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For attacking free pucks I think this complicated, multifaceted manoeuvre is where its at.
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For attacking free pucks I think this complicated, multifaceted manoeuvre is where its at.

Indeed. especialy when so close to the gool.
THis one how simple it is, you see very much.
just flick the puck in front oof the gool and all hell breaks loose in front off the gool.
I hope the 2 players that flick and back up stay on guard for breakouts.

But there are ways to "absorb" a free puck.
When you have space. So close to the gool its not always easy.
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how about someone try this one.

one player takes the puck. the others swim around him/her in a circle on the bottom, completely confusing the opponents. at a secret signal, the player in possession curls and holds the puck discretely behind their body. at the same time, 4 of the other players sprint away from the puck, each to a separate corner of the pool, and all pretending to be swimming a puck. this will confuse the opposition still more. each player will be chased by an opposition player who will believe they are chasing the puck. to put icing on the cake, the remaining player not in possession will swim to the sin-bin and sub out onto the pool deck. if the move is executed correctly the last 2 defenders will chase and also sub themselves out into the sin-bin. this leaves the original player in possession a stately swim into the goal un-obstructed.

the real beauty of this play is that the players who sin-bin themselves will be thought by the chief referee to be actually sin-binned, especially as the first one out will be signalling that all 3 are to be out for 5 mins... this leaves the opponents team short 2 players when the play begins again after the goal, and the attacking team short only 1 player.

the play can be repeated so that the opponents have 4 and then 2 men, while the attacking team has 5 and then 4 and then, eventually, the attacking team will have 3 players while the opponents are all 6 in the sin-bin for approximately the last 2 mins of the original 5 min penalty for the players from the original play. the remaining players can then score 2 goals in that time by getting back to the wall as fast as they can after each goal.

this enables the attacking team to score up to 4-5 goals in a 5 min period from this play.
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