CanAm Dutchy - Prototype #1 Released...

The Bontje was a puck made in the Netherlands...(holland is only a part from the Netherlands ) To bad that W.Bontje a few years ago stopt with making them.

But we had 2 versions. A 1500 (the heavy one)
And a nice one A 1300 ) that was a real nice puck..... And my hope is that the dutchy version from steve comes glose to that puck. Then we have a real winner!
What the golour was. Its good to see by steves puck. The same as his puck )not the red part but the other'

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Holland, Netherlands, Dutch folks... I know Sven, I had plenty of opportunities to learn the difference in those names.... For "Bontje puck" was the discription I was asking for.

I know of an 15y old, very heavy puck comming from netherlands, we called it the Dutch puck. In fact that's the one we used for the very first time. That was a very good and long lasting puck, tho a bit too heavy - 1500g. It was greenish - transparent colour... The puck on this picture is the yellow coloured one, not green.

And yeah, I'm getting ready to produce pucks too... but something tottaly new in design. I'm not the only one, beside canamasticks tho...

And 10 to 11 years ago there was a 1300g made the same way. Looks the same. Also long lasting. But because it was less heavy a very nice and good puck. Till now all the 16bontje pucks by TRB-RES are still in good use. Where others like as example the italian pucks are compleet broke/destroyed after a relative short time....(but also other models/types from diferent parts from the world.)

Iff this pucks comes only nearby the quality from the bontje its a good puck. I only hope in that case that the 1200g does not make it to light.

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Intersting is what different players on different bottems think about this puck. SO i look forward to see the testing period and after that the testing results.
Interwsting is also by what sort stick it is tested.

Wood or Plastick. And then what sort model. SO we can see a compleet pickture.

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Good comment! The durabillity of the puck is mostly (tottaly) dependent on the producer and the way he makes them. Bontje puck was really well done, much better made than my othervise prefered "English puck", witch is No.1 in my book of pucks at the moment, but doesnt come close to durabillity with Bontje.

Italian puck is a derivative of the old "Australian puck", the one with hard plastic covers (pink, green), the one that bounces like crazy, and is very hard to control. But Italian if otherwise a very nice puck to play with, and has another good thing about it. Its called - 25 eur price tag. Italian is not a long lasting, but long enough (2-3 seasons, if you dont play with only one), its a slow puck, easy to flick (learn how to), but you cant fix it like others. All arround, its the price tag that makes this puck very usable, for the lack of better pucks...

@Canamastics : I have one word for you - Vacuum station! (sorry ..2 words )

Hmmm, I might be wrong about this, but I firmly belive that sticks material has little to do with puck. Elements like puck durabillity, design intended for good flicking, materials used to promote fastness in puck, stabillity of the puck under play, ballanced puck - well made puck... far to the end is the preffereance regarding the plastic/wood contact behavour. Or?

Call me nuts.
But i like to now it.
SO i can choose what puck is best for me.
I now more pucks like: the bontje/ the simms/ the italian/ canam guelp /canam (the other)

The contact stick/puck is by wood/plastick different by each material. And even with each model puck.

SO let the test results make a differents.
As example:
1.Long lasting or not.(this is depending what sort swimmingpool etc etc)
2.stabillity of the puck.
3.good flicking or not.

Contact/feeling:
4.Used material stick. (wood/PU/PU,rubber/other)
5.Model stick

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I wont call you nuts!

"Contact and feel" between stick and puck has everything to do with GLOVE, and something to do with stick material (mostly weight of the stick), but very little to do with puck's material. Again, thats my estimate. And "puck feel" has also very little to do with stick design, apart from design of the handle.

In extreme cases, where sticks are designed from softer materials all-arround (I dont mean Bent's carves, but softer-bend material all arround), then stick material comes into play.

And btw, long lasting puck has everything to do with the materials and workmanship! What kinda pool the puck is in - is irrellevant, as all pucks in comparison are in the same pool. True, the ones designed from mono-material encapsulation (italian,aus) are better off in rugged pool, then those that are made with discs (english,bontje) But disc-pucks in the normal pools, if made properly can be better off than mono ones.... like english/bontje versus italian/australian

So nice from you.....

But dont you want to now when somebody tested a puck with what he or she tested it? SO you now were he/she tested it and what he/she tested when he or she say its a bad or good puck.

I really like to now when somebody say i find it a bad puck what model stick he had and even what material. Maybe he/she tested it with this historical model:


Then a good or bad is not a good result from the test.

Not really. We in Tilburg train in 2 pools. And in 1 pool we only use the bontje pucks. Why all the other models are compleet broken after a short time. Why because the bottem from the pool. THe same pucks last much longer in the other pool by the same players and pucks. Stranges or not......But its a fact that the same pucks are longer lasting in another pool.

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First line of your post I really cant comprehend, beside the picture you posted. But even with that stick, the conclusions stays the same.


For the second part of the post, you just proved me right. Bontje is a well made puck, thats why it stands the rough pools, like you describe them. It stood also the concrete pools we played in, and if we wouldnt loose all three of them, I bet we'd still be playing them.

Disc-pucks usually get damaged beyond PLAY, becouse teflon discs get damaged, and when this happens the puck is out of play. This doesnt happen to mono-material pucks. Italian puck is made from very basic PU (maybe even inferior TR), its so basic it has no additives to withstand the rough pool punishment. Bontje is made from quality materials, and the contact between teflon and puck outside material is well thought of, so damage to teflon by tiles spacings is less likely, than pucks like english or slovenian variant, that was even more prone to this kind of damage.

The second issue is the core of the puck. It gets wobbled - displaced when under play-stress. The good pucks look like chrismas tree, before this wobble happens. Bad ones look like they just got tested in the pool for the first time. It also depends how you make the core in first place!