Can we have a bat making 'How to' please?

I'm with Liam on this one and I don't think it's an "old School" opinion. I'm not sure about the NZ men's team (current World champs), but from my experience with the Aus men's team (~7 times World champs) no-one in any of these teams has ever used plastic sticks.

Sure it's a personal choice as to what we all use and all of these opinions are given from personal experiences. However I think the operator has a lot more to do with puck control and flicking than the stick (design and material) they are using. AS I've said before Kelly and I have had flicking comps using the handle of our sticks and can flick almost as well with that as with the playing edge of the stick. Doesn't say much for stick design does it!

No indeed it tell nothing about the design. But it also do not tell much about the material the stick is made from.
Or a team ever used plastick sticks or not dont tell much about how good or bad those are.
It tells they like there own made stick. Not if there better or not than plastick.
And i dont care iff the team is world champion or a beginners team.
That also dont tell much about wood or plastick.

only 1 thing is sure. Plastick sticks are more easy to make then wooden sticks.

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...well. they are easy to make if you are you, sven. you obviously know how to do it and what plastic to mix...

i dunno how to make them so they are hard to make for me!

i'm not hugely against plastic sticks, we are all promoting personal preference here and it's good to be open minded... it's just that the players i've seen with the best control of the puck have always been using wooden sticks (ok i've seen some good touches using dorsals but the shape is very restricted and takes effort to customise)

i should note here that last week i had a look at nick yongs sticks and he is using nylon ones with holes cut in them, similar to ones i've seen simon talbot use and a couple other aussies from tassie. they must work well enough. and i should mention the dorsals too, they are big big big here in nz with all the schoolkids... they are plastic injection moulded sticks, for those that don't know. people get good passes off them... they are a mix of plastics, not sure what the blend is, and the passing face can be roughed up to grip the puck better. problem is the mould they have is pretty small, designed primarily for kids, and it's not quite big enough to keep a lot of adult players happy. quite expensive to make those moulds is the problem there. plus they bend and flex a lot, as i think i've mentioned. (and i swear i still can't feel the puck quite the same, even if it's only in my mind)

i'd be keen to try to make a copy of a stick in plastic if it really is that easy, and see if it really produces a decent stick. lets do it! i'll book my flights today. sven, isn't there a tournament on the 12th of may in the netherlands? i should know where it is but i don't... i'll be there, show me these plastic sticks and you can tackle me with your hook... i might even be in a team thats playing your team!

mint!

Maybe nice. Everybody that want will see how the 20 models right handed sticks i made and the 8 models left handed sticks made look like. But how looks the so call't GREAT LIAM STICK? :wink:
Maybe it is not to much work to place a photo off it here on the forum?

Is it a stick that is sold by true bleu or boa shop? 8)

But the deffierents in making sticks

plastick:
put the 2 components in a cup.
Rudder this 1 minute by each other and pours these in the mal.
After a couple minutes obtain the stick from the mal.
And jump in water. And play!

The stick dont need any painting at any time.

PS the dorsal and the britbat is onother sort off plastick.

Wood:
saw the form.
Keep the stick on the sanding machine for the more correct form.
Painting the stick (late painting dries for hours)
barn the stick and painting the stick.(laat painting dries for hours)

After that the stick continues need paint regular ivm the obligatory colours.

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Yes it is so easy.

I need 1 stick and i can make a sillicon mold from it, en then see the other posting before this one.
The polyurethane stick is then exact the same as the stick i made the mold from.
Even the wood structure and painting you can see in the plastick stick.

12 ,may, i dont have to play anymore this year.
Then there is a toernament for juniors in Bussum (G.O.V. the club from Long Paul and Edgar: the owner off www.napret.tk ))

I did think that. Sorry ops:


We agree with each other


Dorsal, Britbat and the slovenian sticks are made from polyuretheen
My sticks and the "" wonder sticks out off amerika" are made from polyurethane.

A different way off making sticks and another sort off plastick.
Polyurethane is harder then polyuretheen, but is easy to use.

You can also send just 1 stick. and i sent that stick and a pair plastick back for free.
Is is more cheap then traveling for yourself.

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nah i dont have a photo sorry but the sticks i use are basically similar to the very plain looking south african one you posted a photo of. not much hook to speak of, slightly curved front and back edges, thin, tapered, with an undercut in the handle.

no knobs and whistles, pretty similar to lots of aussie and south african sticks and quite a few in GB but maybe a bit smaller. there is certainly no patent on the design, haha! but i like it, obviously.

we should definitely focus on what the sticks can make the puck do though, wouldn't you say? that's the point of sticks after all. i gotta couple of circus tricks i can show you that'll make you laugh i reckon, though maybe not in the game!

THis one? . lenght 28,5 cm long.
This one and some others. (I have not all the modles on my site)
I have made for Bennie potgieter (south africa)

There was a left handed sticksa also for the south african players (28,5 cm long)


and a little bit bigger left handed stick.
lenght 29,5 to 30 cm


Yes.
We call that showing off. I some times do that also. It is fun sometimes to do.

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I'm dead keen on showing off, maybe I'll bring a stick or two along as well... Not convinced about the merits of plastic yet though. Some are better than others of course, I find the dorsals have a superb grip on the puck whilst britbats should just be thrown in a pit and burnt.
Either way though, wood (especially soft ones such as the pine gavin uses) gives a better feel of the puck through impact. It's not just about when you leap in and play around with the puck before a game. Wood tends to have a spongier nature and gives over a smaller surface area allowing you to retain control when someone smashes you. Plastics tend to either bend in one place if they're soft, or bounce the puck off the front edge if they're hard. Both results cost you big in puck control.

I'll see you on May 12th for some testing...

Are you a dutchie?
or is atapene/liam the same person as BentFishBoy? :?:
I always like to meet other players. If you are a dutchie you now that.
(i,m one off the twins)

Then u now that it is a junior toernament. Given by the club G.O.V. from Bussum(netherlands). I can not tell of somebody can test equipment. It is not my club. My club is in the south off the netherlands and is call't TRB-RES. But my junior team will play that day in that toernament. Everybody is always welcom to try out a stick i have with me. But iff you want to form a real opinian you must train more then ones with a stick. Or are you like others that already have there opinian and then after one or two shoots or minuts throw the stick out of the pool and say that is is nothing. That is not trying or testing. Thats opinian making. And not realy trying a stick out. Most often i see the other thing. The try them out and dont want to play with the same model in wood anymore.

A never played with a britbat. I did see 1 time one in the junior competiton. I do not have a meaning about them. With the dorsal i have some time played. so did my team. (they break as easy as wood) we did not like that stick (my team) because it is not a nice playing stick for us but some other players do like it. SO it is a good stick. There are players that like the britbat, so that is also a good stick. A stick is not good or bad because one person said so. It is a good stick when the player that used it like to play with that stick.

Al that nonsense about feeling and dead material is personal. It did not make the material beter or worse.
The most important differents are
1.Wood you must paint time after time. (not painted well is against the rules)
2.Wood sliver/splinter that can hurt other players. (against the rules)

1.Plastick you dont have to paint
2.Plastick do not splinter/sliver

3.wood is more differcult to get 2 sticks the same form/model
4.Plastick the stick is always the same form/model.

If you can make a wooden stick including painting in 3 minutes please tell everybody.
So plastick sticks are also very easy to make.
(ps i now about wood, i'm in real live a furniture maker/fine wood worker)

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I agree on all points except one. The britbat is not a good stick.
Generally I am of the belief that everybody should use something that works for them. Something they're comfortable with and allows them to play the game they want to play it.
The britbat is the only exception I make to this rule, as it is truly a poor example of the genre, and defies almost every point of good stick structure that hockey players have managed to come up with over the last 20 yrs. Even worse, it gets sold to kids and beginners who get used to it and think its great, until you beat them into playing with something (anything) else.


aaaah, so nice to have a rant now and again.


I'm Benson by the way, and possibly the only person in the world more anal about stick design than Liam.