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| we have a little saying in nz that coaches pull out every now and again... any formation will work if it's played right. obviously, if everyone does their job, the team will be successful. ... while this is true, it needs a disclaimer on it. i think it should be, any formation will work if it's played right AND if whats required of each player is realistic and within their capabilities. i guess this relates to hamish mentioning building players to fit into a team strategy. but the simple fact is, if your strategy at some stage requires one of your players to swim 15m in 1.5 seconds underwater, for instance... well, you're going to have problems. some strategies, without realising it, require far too much from some players and too little from others at given times. some strategies are fundamentally flawed in various instances. none are perfect but some less perfect than others. also, "strategies" keep changing, as we encounter different situations they must allow for, and as other teams change THEIR strategies they will force even more different situations, etc etc. so while a given strategy can be attempted and need time to develop, it also will by definition be constantly changing itself. |
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| What an open ended question - a bit like finding the meaning to life :-) If anyone actually knows the entire answer to this they will be a very rich person. Whilst you can have a team with great fitness, skills, strategy (within their capabilities), right mental attitude (individually), they must also work together flawlessly. This has been the failing of many teams in many sports over the years. I have done a bit of work with a guy called Dr Istvan Gorgenyi at the Melbourne Business School. He is an former Hungarian Olympic medallist in Water Polo and gold medal coach of Australian Olympic team. Does a lot of work with team sports around the world (football/soccer) etc. http://www.huntingterritory.com/biography.html He discusses his theory called 'The Hunting Territory' and is about how team members interact the make a team. I have been in and seen many teams in many sports that self destruct at the crucial moments and fail. I have also been in and seen many teams in many sports that appear to work like a well-oiled machine and perform great things due to their social/team structure. I also agree with Atapene that if you can do the simple things right 100% of the time you will rarely be beaten. In our sports our teams spend relatively minimal time together as a team (particularly here in Australia) that it is difficult to develop more complex strategies that time considerable time to master as a team. Hamish makes a good point about teams that span multiple world championships having a greater chance of success as they are developing better social interaction and more complex strategies along with mastering the simple autonomous skills. One of the greatest examples of this (although almost ancient now :-) ) was the Canadien Men's team in 1986. They began in 1982 and developed through 1984 and won the 1986 World Championships. This team was one of the most coherent teams (6 players from two families including twins also helped!) and also a team that had mastered together high level fitness, high level skills, and extremely complex strategies. I don't believe there has been another team from any country since then that has been as 'complete' as this one. All teams go through a series of stages (there is no set time they spend in each phase). The stages of team life can generally be defined as: Formation Inside Fights Settled Dynamic Balance Disintegration Formation Unsettled structures Enthusiasm, Courtesy to each other Focus on cooperation Good performace Inside Fights cliques & sub-groups forming tense atmosphere game playing (with each other) poor performance informal leaderships forming Settled Team structure settled Focus on tasks & performance Perform well but fail at critical moments Rivalry exists but is controlled Dynamic Balance Close relationships (NO BENSON, STAY AWAY, KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF :-D ) Controlled by informal leaders Autonomy Care about each other Best results Disintegration Tired, burnt out Complacency There is a 'rozy haze" that things are all right Self-blinding arrogance! Hmmm... sorry for the essay ops: |
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| Having played in teams that should've won but didn't, and teams that won that shouldn't have, I certainly can relate to the theory Kelly presented. In fact Tan, Tommy and I discussed this theory last year and how if possible do you create that magic. We didn't have an answer then, but strangely enough, our team in 2006 went through those stages and reached the "Dynamic Balance" level and we all truely believe that this helped us win that final in Sheffield. It wasn't individual brilliance nor was it superior fitness or superior tactics; it was simply players extending themselves for their team mates. When you have two even teams, that's probably what it comes down to. It can't be easy to engineer - there are plenty of international teams with millions to spend who have failed. You have to try though - but what can you do (taking into consideration the limitations we have in Aus)? There is also a fear that if you try too hard, then this may back-fire.
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| You are right in the fact that it isn't easy to engineer, especially considering the type of individuals that we are dealing with here... But, the most important step is recognising that these stage do exist and how to identify them and then using specific techniques to manage a team through these stages. I outlined some of the indicators of the stages previously. Here is some of the tecniques to manage the team through those stages: FORMATION This is a stage for directing Set clear goals & objectives Set rules of behaviour/codes Team building Testing talent INSIDE FIGHTS Need to judge performance and not personality Simple tasks Be firm/tough Measure & judge objectively SETTLED This is where the 'Hunting Territory becomes most active. Need to make sure of clear roles as outlined in earlier stages Use benchmarking against other teams, players, and use best practice techniques DYNAMIC BALANCE Ensure rules are observed Extend physically and mentally Encourage rewards Introduce Mentoring, Goals, Roles of Leader, Team members Tinker, change and improve Enjoy the ride! DISINTEGRATION There is either planned or unplanned Planned is just a managed transition Unplanned is highly directive. |
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| I agree that the formation and the stategy don't matter. If you have the right players and everyone is on the same page and execute properly, it will work. A wall game can win just as easy as an open game. A 1-2-2-1 can win as easily as a 3-3. An offensive attacking style which leads to a 6-5 game can win as easily as a get up 1-0 and stall strategy... or they could lose. I've always contended that if I could take a NCAA Division 1 Swim Team and train them for two years, I could make a contender for Gold at World's. Keep in mind this would be an everyday project where they live together on the training grounds with classroom discussions, weight training, pool sessions, proper diets, etc. My main reason for believing this could work is that those guys know how to train so that part of the equation is done. The skills can be learned quickly so that isn't a big issue. But what makes it work is that they are together. As Kelly points out Canada was together for 4 years, all training in Montreal. I think, and memory may be fading on me, that Aus had about 9 men in one city during their 92 run. When given a choice of two equal options, knowing which one your teammate will choose just might be the major factor between success and failure. |
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| .... well... yeah, living and training together for 2 years? no-one could stand against that kind of preparation. unless your entire squad was composed completely of non-athletic people who couldn't catch a ball if it was lobbed to them by a 6 year old, you would certainly win any comp you wanted. |
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| I did say swimmers, who at that level tend to be less coordinated in almost all other sports. But I think it would translate well. The point is the time together is more key than the rest of it. Prime example is our Olympic Basketball teams over the last few. At any one time they could have the best 5 players on the court and still lose.And that's because they are together for only a couple of weeks. And again, take a college team that has been playing together and they might roll right through to the Gold. |