Training Challenge - podcast part 1, nutrition discussion

google is amazing. always good to read up on everything. i can never remember all the things i remind myself to google every day.

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Natural doesn't make it good. Natural doesn't make it bad. In fact the term Natural doesn't really mean anything at all.

The two questions you want to ask are:
1. does it work?
2. is it safe?

Anybody touting something as being 'natural' usually wants you to turn off your brain and ignore question 1 and 2 .

'Natural' was used to describe drug free training.
That's normal gym/training language.

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yes duck there does seem to be a dark cloud in regards to the study of creatine,its still too new too kno wall the side affects.
i´ve read thats its stong on the system so you have to drink LOTS of water(in which I am not doing) so i´ll change that today.
but we analyse whats natural whats good or bad.i have a friend who is a bit of health freak.
well he knows a lot of the toxins in what we eat.
who eats organic food here
we eat lots of tuna,well theres is a certain amount of mercury in all shelfish and tuna.
folowing story is NOT A LIE
i used to work in a resturaunt
and about 10 years ago i walked into the resturaunts big "walk in fridge"
so as i was closing the door i clooked over at a container of peeled prawns.
they were pucking glowing,yes glowing...in the dark.
do i still eat fish...yes
every day scientists are recommending not to drink this,eat that dont eat this.

where do we stop..
what am i getting at.
well i dont think thick creatine will kill you and if you can strip off the prideness to do it
non
AU NATURAL
then it will give you great strenght in the gym and fast strong powerfull (mmmmm)bursts, in the pool.
i did find myself getting agressive in the water,like nervous playin(which if im correct,liam mentioned before that its not the way to go)
but i have taken it for competitions and i didnt get any stamina from it,actually my stamina let me down by the end of the competition and i didnt get to play the last few games.

so if you take it,take it in short courses and lots of fluids with it.

well liam as i said before,i´d really like to see your discoveries on it.
yes,it does sound like you are the "guinea pig in the cage" of the sport.
but no one else would do good a job as you to try it out and give an overall report.
and as so many people read this website,it would be so benificial for the sport cause we hear about creatine but from weight lifters and other sports people.
very few have done a comprehensive report on the takings of creatine in under water hockey.
and i think your the man for it.

tell ya what,if your liver and kidneys fail taking it,i´ll donate mine to ya..

how bout that.

ps
1 does creatine work ans depends what yu want from it,great power and recovery,not great on stamina.
2 is it safe ans cant say,i have taken it various times and have had no side effects but i only took it in short courses,like 2-3 months.

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oh wow - the dramatic misinformation of the web - gotta love it.

Can i be really clear here about creatine.

Creatine enhances ATP and water storage in the muscle fibers. ATP is used in muscle contraction, hence the more ATP the more & stronger contractions you may be able to make. Most athletes deplete their ATP stores regularly through training and never really cary their max load of ATP. Creatine supplementation reloads this. So athletes report 2-5 extra repetitions of weights 10-20% heavier in their initial loading phase of supplementation.

Read here for another opinion
read here for the science

Water or hydration is the other benefit of creatine use - muscle hydration benefits strength - yes thats right, the cheapest and easiest way to get stronger is to drink lots of water. A super hydrated muscle cell is much stronger than a dehydrated cell. It's also less prone to injury or damage, more flexible and can recover faster - i'll be controversial here - water is natural.

Creatine attracts water into the muscle cells. Hence the possible side effects of dehydration in other parts of the body particularly kidney function - so you must drink lots & lots of water when supplementing with creatine.

Creatine is a favorite of strength athletes due to the strength gain, of bodybuilders due to the extra size gain (makes you 'smooth' though) but not so great with endurance athletes. Why? Hydration, extra weight and no need for more power.

Caffeine reduces the effects of creatine - and dehydrates you further.

Creatine is not a drug and does not enhance you on a hormonal level - eg, no added testosterone. So you didn't get aggressive because of extra ATP.
You may have enhanced testosterone due to increased training load, training mindset etc. But not creatine.

All in all, IMO, creatine should not be characterized as a secret, dramatic, 'juice-like' supplement. If you've ever compared a 'normal' athlete supplementing creatine, with a 'steroid' using athlete you will know that the comparison is laughable - like day & night. Creatine can never replicate anabolic steroid use. So don't even think it.
Hope that calms the drama & sensationalism.

ps, don't prawns glow due to another phosphate naturally present in them?

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...ok, so doesn't change my basic understanding of what creatine does for you, except for a few additions, thanks carl.

i dunno about guinea pig... creatine is in common use and i'm sure there are truckloads of hockey players who have used it, they just havent put their hands up to say so apart from steve or maybe they havent found this forum yet (or maybe they dont speak english to read it)

so anyway, i'm pretty keen to go as i am for a couple of weeks to get used to the new program, then quite happy to go onto creatine once i get to 82.5ish as carl outlined a while back.


one thing though, lots of people say that once you come off creatine it can have immediate effect on your body.... plus i seem to remember various on for X weeks, off for X weeks in what i read about it (a long time ago admittedly)

is there a risk of your muscles becoming dependant on it?

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whoops forget that question, i'm just reading through the links carl posted now, cheers

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Hmmm... That how to on Creatine looks pretty good, Carl! Hopefully a podcast or something will clear the air a bit with regards to misinformation/misunderstandings. I'm pretty interested myself, not just yet though, I still need some more time with my program.

Yup we'll discuss it all in the next podacst with Liam - it's not that exciting though.

Yes Liam the body doesn't respond as quickly in the future as it's no longer super ATP deprived. The weight gain is also temporary as it has a lot to do with the extra hydra (ie, 1 extra litre of fluid = 1Kg +).

It's the extra strength gain that we use to break through training plateaus' that is the real benefit in all of this. The extra weight handled builds more strength and muscle - that part is not temporary.

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The site I used was the US Olympic Site

http://www.usoc.org/education/sports_med/guide5.pdf

Figured they wouldn't mince words and have no real benefit to promoting one way or another. The body building and fitness sites have vested interest in saying "everything's fine, go ahead, everyone else is doing it".

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