YOur favorite skill/movement

ok, forget my silly pass.

great clip! amazing how he can do that, i cant believe its in a game, i have never heard of a move like that done in a GAME,WOW!

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excuse my ignorance but how is that move useful (or any move for that matter) when their is no one in front of you, are you not better off just swimming in a straight line or using basic directional changes.

OOo you can talk about you unbelieveble pass/flick.
And i hope everybody use it against me.
But like this roll, its just a simple skill. But iff you dont want me to place skills anymore. You just have to ask. Then i only place them on my own site.

The reason because i place them here is because out here there are top-rank players that say it when they see someting done wrong or believe they now how it can be done better. Something you dont see much by top-rank players:eek:

Especialy the second clip. There did somethings go wrong. He lost the contact with the puck after taking the puck away from the opponent.
But the reason why we learn players this move is not always to use a simple 2D turn especialy not when taken the puck. But to roll to see iff there are some other opponents that are attacting you and to look were your fellow players are to pass the puck to. (to say it short. To see how/were all players are.) With one exeption. Never do this turn when there is an opponent in front off you an a distance were he can take the puck.. Then you lost the puck for 100%. There is the weak point in this move when rolling/turning.

Not directly in front off you! (but did you look to the movie clip?)
THere were opponents nearby but al out off direct reach off the puck. You can see that on the moment he passes the puck away.(there were 2 defenders between him and the gool) And after that move and passing the puck to a fellow player that other player simpley swim to the gool.

But you backflick he can have done that also.
Take the puck away and not do a roll but flick the puck directly to a fellow player.. But then you must now for 100% sure iff there is a fellow player. And in that time the player that lost the puck can take the puck back. Thats why turning away is important.

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no dont stop posting your moves sven, dont take offence i really love your work!

i quite like this thread it's got some interesting bits. i kinda agree with hamish though... the whole point of learning skills is so you can use them in the right context, and complicated skills as a rule are only effective in very specific situations.

the hardest thing to get right is to get used to picking those situations when skills are useful, so if your player is a beginner as you say it's not surprising he's still pulling out rocket launchers at times when a pistol is all thats required.

thats fair enough.

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In this situation it was the only way.(second clip) Iff he had taken the puck and swim to the gool he was stuck between the last 2 defenders. And between 2 fresh midfielders and the midfielder he did take the puck from that were nearby from the other side. By that turn he seen them comming to him. and also seen a fellow player nearby to recieve the puck. And so a newbee and a junior player won the match. That i find really impresive. And good use off skills. (and all was done in those 3 seconds.......)Steal the puck, A turn, see everything arround you and a good flick to a fellow player....

The last movie clip of a turn.(wrong move at the wrong time)


So now we can discuss this movement.

On this last clip:
i think its not done the way it must be done.(a skill done on the wrong time!) He takes to much risk by his own gool. Here the only way to do something in this situation is take the puck and swim to the corner. (away frome the gool)

But the clip done in the offencive i think it was the only thing to do for him. He cant swim to the gool. Then he lost the puck to the defenders. He can not turn back then he lost the puck to the midfielders. And the time he did it the midfielder he take the puck from did not have any chanch to take the puck back. So it really did work against 5 players.

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OK, so what you mean is that the hook spins the puck a little extra...? I was under the impression that you had to bend your wrist to minimise the amount of hook that is used on the puck, to prevent a floppy flick. However Floppy is all i seam to be getting so far i will look at the freeze frames some more.
Cheers.

yeah you have to bend your wrist to let the puck start spinning properly or get the hook at an angle where it can let the puck spin, but yeah seems the puck will still come off the end of the hook.

try keeping the stick flat on the tiles, dont bring it up at all and just work on spinning and timing the puck?

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I think frame 4 is interesting - you can see that the puck has a different angle to the bat. Doesn't that suggest that the puck rolls out off the top edge of the hook, ie the path of the puck does not follow the centre line of the bat? But what does it mean? That the puck must be off the bottom before it gets to the hook?

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Sven - regarding the rolls. We often find beginners doing that roll and I always tell them to stop doing it. I think it's a bad habit to get into. Although it might be surprising to the opposition, it is not a strong move as the player takes his eyes (and stick) off the puck and can easily lose it. There is always a delay when the player is looking for the puck after the roll - and when doing so has their body off the bottom of the pool, which makes it easy for the opposition to see and take the puck.

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yeah lena the puck seems to come up and slide off the top edge of the passing face. it's very rare that it actually stays in the same plane as the passing edge all the way along the stick... you can see this in front passes as well. i noticed that a few years ago.

this is why it's so important for consistency to use new sticks... the top edge of the passing bevel is predominately what the puck slides against before it goes over the top, so if it's nice and crisp then the pass will be consistent (assuming good technique)... if you have a worn or weathered, rounded top edge on that face, or maybe a couple of chunks torn out of it then the puck will hit tht and de-stabilise or jolt as it goes along that edge and maybe just as it leaves the edge, and your consistency comes down. i find that even one little notch in the top edge affects the consistency of my pass.

also, have to agree with your roll comments... i am just trying to cut down on posts cos i don't feel comfortable being so far ahead of everyone else. i'm waiting for sven to catch up, haha! but yeah that roll was pretty much banned in nz by a procession of influential coaches over a long period, for exactly the reasons you describe. some good players pull it out when they have no other option, but for beginners definitely more encouraged to use a strong full turn or other standard skill instead.

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