CMAS Asia/ Pacific/ America Zone Event

CMAS Games in 2011 requires all elite teams to be ranked for invitations to the event in Colombia in 2011.

Colombia 2010 was initially proposed as the ranking event for invitations but the event was not able to be sanctioned by CMAS. Its a shame that Colombia internal issues prevent it being used as a CMAS event in 2010 to provide the ranking mechanism. To fairly rank teams the follow structure was proposed.:

Top Three from CMAS Euro/ Africa event in 2010
Top Two from CMAS Asia/ Pacific/ America Zone Event
Host -Colombia

CMAS has a rule that 5 countries participate for the event to be sanctioned. Individuals in countries have recognised that the travel costs of attendance at an CMAS Asia/ Pacific/ America Zone Event will be significant when compared to attending the CMAS Euro/ Africa event.

Therefore should America attend the Euro's comp or..

should America attend the Asia/ Pacfic comp or..

North America attend Euros and South America attend the Asia/ Pacfic or...

Is there a separate country playing UWH in America that can form and independant event.

What are your thoughts?

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Tristan Reynard
Tournament Director
CMAS Underwater Hockey Commission
www.cmasuwh.org
www.cmaswebsite.com

...3 zones, one being the americas?

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it's more polite on the grating than on the subs bench

i agree with liam that having 3 zones is a good idea, but that makes only having space for 6 teams unfair.
if 3 qualify from euro/africa and 2 qualify from asia/pac that leaves only 1 spot for the americas zone - which colombia nabs by being the host.
usa/can/arg are all screwed from the start no matter how well they went at last world cup/champs/games/whatever

it might be better to grant auto entry for winner of previous cup or champs or games and auto-entry for hosts
AND 3 qualifiers from euro/afr + 2 asia/pac + 1 americas

therefore 8 teams minimum should attend

the real issue here, that i see, is automatic inclusion for hosts.
hypothetically - what if japan were to win rights to host? based on their form the last time we saw them [sheffield] they most certainly wouldn't rate inclusion as a top 6 nation, but would force out nz or australia - both of whom have reached final 4 in last 4 world champs/cups.
likewise a euro nation like switzerland hosting and holding out fra/ndl/gbr/tur/rsa

[quote=TKR;10446
Colombia 2010 was initially proposed as the ranking event for invitations but the event was not able to be sanctioned by CMAS. Its a shame that Colombia internal issues prevent it being used as a CMAS event QUOTE]

Colombia had no internal issues, It was CMAS and CMAS alone who would not recognise or work with Colombia or the WAA, demands of making it an elite only world cup could not guarantee Colombia to break even with the cost of the event and no guarantees on participation were given by CMAS.

Did CMAS expect Colombia to bankrupt themselves? I make this point to correct the inaccuracy of TKR statement.

Regards
GH

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1.4.5. « OPEN » Continental Championship
Sports commissions that wish it or the Executive Board may ask CMAS to organise “OPEN” Continental
championships on condition that rules at point 1.3.3.2 are observed and under the following precise conditions for
which no derogation without previous agreement from the Executive Board will be granted..
1.4.5.1. Conditions for the organisation of the « OPEN » championships
Each commission will submit its request of approval to CMAS Executive Board, a request that must
include the corresponding rules of these OPEN championships , keeping in mind that
1.4.5.1.1. those Continental championships for which the request is submitted will be « OPEN” always
and not one year « YES » and another year « NO »
1.4.5.1.2. These championships must compulsory be open to all continents.
1.4.5.1.3. These championships will be run compulsory all even years.
1.4.5.1.4. For the same discipline, ALL Continental championships must be “OPEN” or not
1.4.5.1.5. Disciplines for which the selection for the World Championships or CMAS Games will be
done on the basis of results of Continental championships, if these are “OPEN”, all countries
that ask for it must be admitted to participate at the latter if all other rules ( deadlines,
enrolment, licenses, etc) are observed. There will be no selection of any kind and type.
1.4.5.1.6. Disciplines whose results of Continental Championships do not concern the selection for the
World Championships or CMAS Games, and if these championships are « OPEN » and if the
number of participants is limited for whatever reason, must clearly establish
1.4.5.1.6.1. how to carry out the selection for countries admitted to participate
1.4.5.1.6.2. ABSOLUTE priority to be given to the nations of the Zone and/or Continent
1.4.6. Zone’s Championships
Certain countries, geographically near and constituted in Zone or League recognised by CMAS according the Art.
8.1.1 of the statutes, may request for the organisation of Zone’s Championships that may be included in the
championships calendar if 5 countries at least have taken part to the last edition of such championship.

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Tristan Reynard
Tournament Director
CMAS Underwater Hockey Commission
www.cmasuwh.org
www.cmaswebsite.com

From the rules I believe that we can have an America's continental championship but we can't have a Zone Championship as we do not get 5 countries teams attending.

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Tristan Reynard
Tournament Director
CMAS Underwater Hockey Commission
www.cmasuwh.org
www.cmaswebsite.com

is there anything official yet as to who makes up what zones and how the 6 teams get picked?

Last seen on here is only a proposal.

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Hi All

what was a good idea of mine to get the best teams to CMAS world games has been taken but somehow lost itself en route

I had proposed and it was agreed that we have a min of 8 nations at the CMAS world games which will include

4 from Europe ( 16 countries play hockey and are active)
2 from Asia/Pacific ( 5/6 countries play hockey and are active)
2 from Americas/Africa ( 5/6/ countries play hockey and are active )

the Euro champ was supposed to be for qualifications for Europe ( hence why it is called European and not European plus whoever else wants to play )

Asia /pacific was supposed to have one in Singapore or near about for them
and the Americas was to be the Colombia event .

if there was space for more temas then the split was going to be

6 from Europe
3 from Asia/pacific
3 from Americas/Africa

no one qualify for sure
and if Colombia is hosting WAA what happens to the rules of CMAS about non CMAS event

Antoine

So by the silence, I take it there is no official policy. How are people supposed to plan? Surely with all the touting of Euros as the qualifier for 2011 there must be some sort of official policy written to state that. I'd hate to see people go there with the understanding that it is the qualifier and then that not be the case. Anyone? A clue? Somewhere?

Maybe we need to call in Steve and Blue from Blue's Clues to get the answer...

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Hi Tristan


i must for once agree with Duck .

what are the official rules for ranking etc.....
and if South Africa or New Zealand wins the European championship ( assuming they are attending) will they be European champions from the African or oceanic continent .and if so how will the Europeean countries ( from Europe continent be ranked then )

Antoine