Cmas 2009?

Fred,
You are correct in it costs a lot of money for Kiwi's in particular but also Aussies to travel basically anywhere in the world. Even if it is in the SH.
I think that the main issue is that people can't afford to spend this amount of money every year...lots of people struggle to get the funds every two years. For this reason alone I don't think that having a major competition every year (WAA one year and CMAS the other) is not viable for a lot of players. I know that the Columbians, Argentinean’s etc really struggle to get the money every two years. It is a sensible approach to try and get everyone to contribute to the overall costs but I am not sure how realistic this would be. You wouldn’t want to loose players from other teams i.e. France, Holland, Belgium, Spain etc because the cost has gone up to support the other less fortunate countries. Also is it fair if you work your butt off to secure funds for the Belgium UWH team for example and then have to share it with countries that have not attempted to get sponsorship or raise money themselves...it's a tuff one. I am not saying there is no answer...I am just not sure what it is yet!

Tan

From what I have read on all the posts here, from the people involved in the decision making process it would seem that they have tried to work within the CMAS structure, but to no avail. there is an old saying that the best feeling about banging your head against a brick wall is when you stop. It seems to me that the people running hockey just want their heads to stop hurting.

These are the people that made Sheffield great and it seems to me that in recent years from what i am told world championships have got better and better. Why would we be starting from scratch when all the people that made it happen for CMAS are now going to make it happen for snorkel battle extreme in the WAA.

seems logical to me that these people like Carol Rose are the ones who care the most and if the proof is in their actions, well hell I want them to keep doing their thing because they have the points on the board. Cant say i have seen to many scores from CMAS.

the only thing that can make this all go pair shaped is the players who don't follow their hearts and let the real leaders lead.

Later Gater

the difference between 2007 and 2009 carol would be NOTICE given. countries from far away would have the standard 2 years notice of where the comp is and roughly what kind of travel cost is involved.

standard practice.

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Tan,

you are absolutely right when you say players can't afford going to competitions every year. That's why I would say, let's play Durban, work something out to present to CMAS and go to the games from that moment on.
There is no place for a world's set after Durban for as far as I know, so why not the games. Doesn't have to be in 2009 if that is impossible to make it. Can also be in 2011.
Although the organization could improve, Bari had a special atmosphere. Top level athletes from diffirent disciplines came together, got to know each other and the different sports. We had rugby-players coming to see our games, and we went to see theirs. That was cool, but hockey didn't get the exposure it deserved because most high level players weren't there. We could have the same as Sheffield, multiplied by other sports.

As for the baching on the wall. I am not saying that Carol and the commission haven't tried. Good lord have they tried. I also always kept claiming they have the heart in the right place.
However, if we want to push more, we have to unite and start working more together. Get all the hockey representatives together, and maybe we find a solution together with the people from the commission, but as far as I know, this has never happend so far. More brains make more changes on finding a solution instead of deviding the sport. And with all modern communication, we can even do it online.

We should get a more professional structure into everything. Some countries may have some great promotion techniques, lets share them, let's share the materials. Make it once, use it many times...

ummmmmm has notice been given??????? We were told in Oct 2006, we would have Games location 2009 by May 2007. Does someone know something I don't?

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Carol Rose

sigh.

well, we now know there is a thing called the cmas games, dont we, and we know its probably in 2009, dont we, and we know we are saving up for shc anyway, in the southern hemisphere at least, dont we, and the northern hemisphere would normally have euros and would be saving for that so why dont they just save for a 2009 cmas comp, makes sense, and we know if the shc countries decide to go to a 2009 comp with cmas instead of shc, then people are already saving money for a trip that year, arent they, and they havent set a location or started organising shc for that year yet so its not going to clash with something thats already going ahead, isnt it.

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Liam,
If only it was that easy...
Do you really think the sport will continue to develop if our small community is trying to support two organizations and two World Championships?
Do you think CMAS will let teams enter their tournament in 2009 if they played in Durban in 2008?
Do you really think I could save enough money for two major tournaments in two years...so many shoes so little time ;-)

Tan

The time frame was one of the main complaints/objections Graham voiced to CMAS at the fall meeting when they were about to vote on a city for the first Games. He clearly stated the Commission was not opposed to the idea of the Games or the Games being scheduled, but that 2007 was way too soon.

He suggested 2009 for first Games. The 2007 time frame would follow way too closely to Sheffield WC for uw hockey, so teams could not afford/would find it very difficult to attend the Games - especially the non European federations or 6 of top 9 countries. CMAS just shrugged. I was there and saw the shrug.

The 2006 year had 4 WCs scheduled and held: fin, hockey, photo and skin spearfishing. To host a Games a year later ??????? It is not too bad for individual sports - fin and photo, and skin was never to be part of Games. There are few athletes as compared to the team sports where one team is about 15 persons. In fin, many countries only send 2-3 or even less competitiors to a WC. Photo is limited to 2 photographers.

The on going schedule has been WC in even year and regional in odd year - ie Euros and Southern Hemispheres. There needed to be a time gap to adjust if the Games were to be in odd year, but none was allowed.

And CMAS never understood (may yet not understand) that it is the host federation, not the commission, that organizes and puts on an uw hockey WC. Not only does CMAS not commuicate nor negioate, they don't listen or comprehend.

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Carol Rose

ok.

previously, the same team that went to worlds for most countries wasnt the same team that was going to euros, shc... generally those comps blooded new players as players that had played the previous years saved money or took a rest.

i'm sorry, why cant that continue to happen? the players that can play as much hockey as they can afford, some have to take a year out to save, and new players also get their chance.

if focus turned from euros/shc to cmas games then theres no reason why teams couldnt attend that comp instead.

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Well Mr Atapene are you saying that NZ will have their cake and eat it to. Were NZ party to the decision to leave CMAS as I was told that this is what was discussed in Sheffield and you guys were there.

Seems like a Judas act to still be talking about playing in A cmas comp, when decisions were probably made based on support from your federation.

Tan is right you cant support 2 federations, are they paling marks on your backside? Best you move I hear that fence sitting cuts of the circulation to the brain

Later Gator