worlds 2008

So here's the deal,

this is an open forum & I quite like your post - but you're not keeping the user name that you've choosen.
I will happily change it for you to something 'G' rated. So your new user name is 'Fed Up' that is fine as it's not offensive.

So you know there's no other agenda here let me introduce myself;
I don't play, I don't have any desire to, I don't have any political aspirations etc. Get the picture?
You can't find opinionated post by me - as it doesn't exsist. I have no opinion.
I'm your absolutely 100% neutral Web Master.

A Head Referee if you like that term?

So play on -without the offense user name 8)

BTW - if you would like to introduce yourself you may get some respect around here.

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sorry, of course that could be ms *****in as well!

We have 1 thread, this 1 that is heated with debate, It has had almost 1600 views, people just want to know what is going on.
The rest of the forum is totally positive, active and exciting for the sport to unite coaches, captain, world elet players, casual players, new players etc. I feel that stop_*****en shoud read and enter the other forum subjects to add some ballance to your heated entry to UWHW, If you are who I think you are, you have a wealth of experience and knowledge you could bring to the site.
I think a name change is needed, something more positive!
Like Mr Happy?

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The member formely known as Stop_B******* will now be called Fed_Up.

Fed_Up i hope you don't run away& cry as you threatened. It's just a name change.

Let the debate continue :lol:

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I am immensely pleased that I have you all thinking though a little disturbed that you are thinking more about whom I might be then what I am saying. At the end of the day I do not matter, Underwater Hockey or what ever you want to call it, is supposed to be the focus here.

My entry into this forum is to highlight that nobody is standing up and doing anything about the real issues…I have read pages and pages dedicated to a name change…I have to agree that the name is important as the right name will make a huge difference to how we ultimately feel about the sport – this is the image reference…imagine saying to your mates “I’m off to play Indoor snorkel battle extreme” without feeling like a knob! (I know it’s a joke Liam and I’m sorry Carl if this is considered offensive-I have a door knob at home and it as innocent as can be ) Of course the name is important, but Alexandra is very right when she says that it is the least of our worries at the minute. The game as we have known it is set to change dramatically and I have read nothing that indicates any of you have thought about this. How do you feel about the competition being cut in half? How do envision this will impact on hockey? I don’t want to get into why this has happened and begin blaming people…I just want to have you all consider what this means to you as players….and in response consider what you might be able to do to ensure you maintain the best competition going….you might decide that you can do nothing…at least that is a considered response….you might decide that you have enough influence to inspire somebody else..who inspires somebody else who inspires somebody else and so forth.


In response to personal references Liam, and I refer to you by name because you have signed off on it so often, if you hadn’t I would have referred to you as ‘Atapene’ because that is who you are to me, I am unclear as to why you believe my entry as the most negative????; (Belle you should be included in this also)

Since when was the uwh commission ever elected? amc32 22/03/07

Really makes me wonder about this -- too much secrecy going on to say we would be better off with the new Org than the lame one we currently have… Duck 24/03/07

Yes, now that Doug mentioned it - I haven't heard about any of this through "official channels" either until the podcast with the WTD (if not official, at least from the horses mouth) on this Forum. I am on the committee of the Australian Underwater Hockey Association and have not received any communication regarding this. Lena10 24/03/07

All concerns answered???? This STILL has all been done in the cone of silence. And it is a "done deal"????? How can you not be concerned? From an email saying we'll talk about it later? Duck 29/03/07

I have only urged people to think!!! There is underlying sediment on this forum that the underwater hockey commission is some sort of secret organisation trying to work us all over…personally, I don’t think so. I don’t know, I am not privy to what happens in their meetings, but it is apparent to me that these individuals have been personally attacked, so if it is glory they have sought, they have certainly chosen the wrong battle field. If I was going to work people over I would be ensuring there was a heap of money for me at the end of it. This certainly isn’t the case. What do these people stand to gain?? At the end of the day you only need to ask what can we do to ensure that the sport still enjoys the best competition available? Is competing at Bari the right thing to do? Should we all be standing now, united as a new sporting body? Are we weakening our position by having useless arguments about nothing much really?

Liam you state that most people on this forum have contributed to the cause…but how?? Playing the game well is one thing, but have you personally contacted your federation and expressed how you feel about CMAS and the outcome of the Jersey verdict? Have you sent emails to CMAS to express how well you thought the world championships were run? Have you openly shown any support of your governing body during their time of need? Have you sent letters of support to the world commission confirming your support? These are political issues and I can infer from your entries on this forum as to how you personally feel in relation to the issue….have you made them publicly known through your federation or personally via email? I don’t mean to pick on you personally…well maybe I do, you had a go at me first

It is the cynic in me, but I question people’s motives when they start making noise so long after the first punches have been thrown. From what I have read, most information has been made available long ago; it has kept me informed as to what has been happening. I have stated before that I have not become involved until now because I personally do not have the time or energy to do anything about it….I am merely fed up with those being extremely vocal after the fact, when it matters least! Sorry if that is negative to you Liam…but if it ultimately inspires you personally to take action then I am happy I spoke up.

I have recently been reading the BOA message board (British Octopush Association http://www.gbuwh.co.uk/ - go to the message board) and they are raising some interesting issues you may like to consider.

This is the letter you are refering to:
We all have the contact details to write to CMAS if we wish now:

The BOA
VSS
PO Box 28
Sanquhar, DG4 6WW, UK
CMAS Sports Committee
Sports Committee President
Ms Anna Arzhanova
Viale Tiziano, 74
00196 Rome
Italie
29/12/06


Dear Ms Arzhanova

I am writing to you as Chairman of the British Octopush Association with the full support of my Committee and members to strongly protest about the way advice from the Underwater Hockey Commission is constantly ignored by CMAS.

The British Octopush Association has been a very active supporter of CMAS from its foundation and we are very keen to continue supporting CMAS in the future. However it appears to us that CMAS do not support our democratically elected representatives of the Underwater Commission and we see this as a direct insult to our sport.

With reference to BOD 154 we are totally appalled that you allowed hearsay and rumour to contribute to your discussions without substantiating the facts, and you showed such naivety and lack of professionalism to include such nonsense in your published minutes. This brings your position as our respected democratic governing body severely into question.

Feelings about these problems are so very strong within the British Octopush Association that unless a complete change of attitude towards the Underwater Hockey Commission is evident we feel we will not be able to support sending any of our elite teams to the CMAS championships in Bari in 2007.

I reiterate that the British Octopush Association is very keen to continue to support and be part of CMAS as our international governing body. Our sport has become very popular, is highly competitive, and is growing internationally year after year as the 2006 CMAS world championships at Sheffield proved. We rely on the Underwater Hockey Commission to represent the special conditions of our unique sport and we need CMAS to be supportive and understanding of the Underwater Hockey Commission. It would be a very sad day indeed if the present CMAS negative attitude forced us to consider other options. At present I am doing my best to convince my membership that our best interests are to stay within CMAS but I need your support and understanding to show the British Underwater Hockey clubs that the Underwater Hockey Commission is heard and respected within CMAS.

I look forward to your reply

Yours sincerely

Charlie Simms
BOA Chairman

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i had a big reply all typed out but i've decided to save people some time reading it. i've summarised into points.

- people were thinking about these issues long before you posted

- people arent standing up, as you put it, because they see a way for hockey to continue smoothly, and the uwh commission is assuring us that they are working things out. yay commission! everyone has their fingers crossed. (my opinion only, of course)

- think what an awesome reaction we would get if we DID say “I’m off to play Indoor snorkel battle extreme”

- to put it bluntly, i think your entries are the most negative simply because of the high horse you perch upon.

- i have heard a great deal of support for the comission on here, which you seem to have missed.

- and yeah i do more for the sport in nz than just play, but i won't bother to go into details.

- lastly, the GB people may be discussing this too but they have their own problems which are complicating things, they have crazy stuff like the possibility of "unofficial" national teams on their hands and splits in their own federation inspired by bari/cmas/durban... a perfect example of how not to do it.

- and yeah the spiel i wrote before i replaced it with this one was much longer. what can i say. i'm a peot.

liam (atapene is my name too, but my middle name)

sorry, obviously my last post was a response to fed_up. sigh, i shouldnt have bothered. we're getting off topic.

good for the BOA to be writing letters. i'll be interested to see what reply they get.

Dear Fed_Up,

You have raise some points that I would like clarified but believe this is the wrong Forum.

As Chairman of Underwater Hockey NZ I have seen similar letters from USA, NZ, SAF, AUF similar to GB's letter.

Liam is a member of the UWHNZ committee as our coaching development officer and has experience running our schools leagues as well as many other tournaments and events in NZ over the past 10 years. (This is all while being a competitive player and member of our NZ teams!!)

The main issue you have is informaton- Please discuss your issues with your elected representatives managing your sport.

Regards

Tristan Reynard
Chair@underwaterhockey.org.nz

As a lot of F_U's comments have been dealt with, I just wanted to hit on a couple that haven't.

My Quacking --- Had you read it all you would have seen that I suggested a way to come up with a name for which the world could find a consensus. Is that not helpful, constructive, worthwhile, usefull, in any capacity? And several players in the US have told me they would like to be a part of the process so that a marketing strategy could be formulated to go with any new name. Say.... that would also be helpful to our sport, but a waste of time if it is a "done deal" and there is no chance of changing it as first expressed, so that was not something I had yet discussed here.

If I knew who you were I may be able to give you an answer to your question. But until you come out of the closet how will I know if you have heard any input from me? My guess would be that obviously you haven't, or you chose to ignore it even while it was right out in front of you to read. As to my not getting involved sooner I was under the impression we had time. I knew of discussions and ideas but was told nothing was set in stone. When I heard different, a red warning flag waved so I said something, immediately!. As anyone with any sense would do when they see something that isn't right. And, while in the end I will still play and be involved, I will work to make things right in this sport, whatever the name.

Thanks go to Scott TUCK Tucker for backing me. And an 'at-a-boy to Liam ATAPENE Watson for calling you out so clearly.

Doug DUCK Roth