good point fred i had forgotten about that!

however, i think i should point out that the way i see it, NZ would LIKE to be able to sit on the fence... but realistically, despite our idealistic official stance, surely the fact that we are going to durban actually is dumping us one side of the fence.... its up to cmas whether or not things can change afterwards.

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