yeah i'm getting used to it, yes i was referring to getting the dumbells in position... but i'm already using my knees like that, i'm not exactly bicep curling the things up there, they weigh half my girlfriend! just another thing to get used to i guess.

and no, i dont have a weight belt and i dont intend getting one... i think the whole point is to strengthen the muscles, not to have them rely on an artificial support. i dont really want to be lifting so much that i need to use a belt, i'm going to back myself to be able to sensibly keep an eye on my technique and drop weight if i feel like i'm struggling to keep good form etc.

i don't really want to be using hand straps or grip devices either for the same reason...

i thought weight belts were only necessary when going for a one rep maximum lift etc anyway?

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